May 24, 2020, 2:27 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
For discussion of Hawaiian COVID-19 quarantine and other local issues, not UA specific, please use
FT's Hawaii forum
Gov. David Ige calls for 30-day suspension of visitors to Hawaii
COVID-19 - 14-Day Mandatory Quarantine for All HI Arrivals & Neighbor Island Travel
When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
FT's Hawaii forum
Gov. David Ige calls for 30-day suspension of visitors to Hawaii
COVID-19 - 14-Day Mandatory Quarantine for All HI Arrivals & Neighbor Island Travel
When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
Impacts of UA's reduced schedule on Hawaiian travelers (CARES exemption granted)
May 24, 2020, 3:08 pm
#106
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Excellent points. EF is a much better source. Bottom line is FC (as a CPU flight) will be full essentially every day. If one is looking for social distancing, Y is your only choice. The problem is with seat blocking it is impossible, without EF to determine just what your chances are for an empty seat next to you.
And we have to see how well UA handles the notifying of customers for >70% loads, but that has not been a recent issue for economy flyers in / out of HNL.
Best to assume F will be full, inherent in UA's CPU process.
But more on UA middle seat policy in UA COVID19 precautions: block some seats for pre-assignment, providing masks,...
Last edited by WineCountryUA; May 24, 2020 at 3:24 pm Reason: seatmap view might be free on EF?
May 24, 2020, 4:20 pm
#107
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well over 50% economy seats are empty or blocked on June 7 HNL-SFO UA 724 (appears to be a 777) - -SUnday is likely a peak travel to the mainland date
Interesting, Monday June 8 looks a bit more booked, but still >100+ empty / block seat out of 228
Had to use EF as UA.com does not show blocked separate from booked.
Interesting, Monday June 8 looks a bit more booked, but still >100+ empty / block seat out of 228
Had to use EF as UA.com does not show blocked separate from booked.
Last edited by slippahs; May 24, 2020 at 4:51 pm
May 24, 2020, 7:42 pm
#108
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However. the key point of the post was one can better see the impacts of seat blocking on EF than on the united site or apps. Looking at the united site only when with this COVID seat blocking can lead to a significant misunderstanding of the actual situation.
As for the high fare class / process, see the discussion in Ridiculously uncompetitive airfares?
May 26, 2020, 3:00 pm
#109
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Unless you have a place to stay for free, who's going to go to Hawaii only to spend $1000's for a hotel room and room service food for 14 days?
May 28, 2020, 7:21 pm
#111
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There's no way United is going to bring back any service of
consequence to Hawaii anytime soon.
May 28, 2020, 7:50 pm
#112
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Far, far, far more people go to Hawaii by plane...about 35k per day prior to Covid.
May 28, 2020, 8:45 pm
#113
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May 30, 2020, 3:37 pm
#114
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July 31 is the talk of the island. It is a dilemma ....it seems possible to suffocate the virus with the quarantine in effect but not with thousands of visitors a day inbound. The cost is a pretty dire economic toll. Absent better clinical tools, I don’t see a sweet spot.
May 30, 2020, 3:44 pm
#115
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Interesting - at least to me - UA retained July schedule for the Hawaiian Airlines - I expected them to take pretty much all the flights off of the schedule.
I'm wondering if they think it may be sooner than July 31 or left those flights on schedule for another reason
I'm wondering if they think it may be sooner than July 31 or left those flights on schedule for another reason
May 30, 2020, 3:58 pm
#116
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Interesting - at least to me - UA retained July schedule for the Hawaiian Airlines - I expected them to take pretty much all the flights off of the schedule.
I'm wondering if they think it may be sooner than July 31 or left those flights on schedule for another reason
I'm wondering if they think it may be sooner than July 31 or left those flights on schedule for another reason
Because many people book Hawaii trips far in advance, UA is likely holding a lot of cash (mine included) and miles, and they're waiting as long as possible before removing the flights from the schedule and issuing refunds.
May 30, 2020, 4:03 pm
#117
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I don't agree with that at all - lifting all flights until September 30. We've only learned a couple of days ago the intention was extend past June 30. It makes sense to me to wipe out the July schedule - perhaps leaving it on with competitors keeping the flights also.
May 31, 2020, 10:34 am
#118
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Okay; I left Maui in March, for a ten day mainland trip. Im still here. I need to get back to try to resurrect my Maui business, and I am thinking of leaving in late June. I'll just bite the bullet on the quarantine (I'll take a bunch of paper work, maybe I'll file my taxes...whatever). But how to get there from Denver?
The United SFO_HNL, and then figure a commuter over to Maui? I see on line that Mokulele is flying into the west side (JHM). That could be an option.
I think Hawaiian is flying from SFO to Maui through HNL. Alaska claims to be going there through Seattle. Anybody have a recommendation? My first screen is likelihood that the flight will actually go.
The United SFO_HNL, and then figure a commuter over to Maui? I see on line that Mokulele is flying into the west side (JHM). That could be an option.
I think Hawaiian is flying from SFO to Maui through HNL. Alaska claims to be going there through Seattle. Anybody have a recommendation? My first screen is likelihood that the flight will actually go.
May 31, 2020, 10:45 am
#119
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Okay; I left Maui in March, for a ten day mainland trip. Im still here. I need to get back to try to resurrect my Maui business, and I am thinking of leaving in late June. I'll just bite the bullet on the quarantine (I'll take a bunch of paper work, maybe I'll file my taxes...whatever). But how to get there from Denver?
The United SFO_HNL, and then figure a commuter over to Maui? I see on line that Mokulele is flying into the west side (JHM). That could be an option.
I think Hawaiian is flying from SFO to Maui through HNL. Alaska claims to be going there through Seattle. Anybody have a recommendation? My first screen is likelihood that the flight will actually go.
The United SFO_HNL, and then figure a commuter over to Maui? I see on line that Mokulele is flying into the west side (JHM). That could be an option.
I think Hawaiian is flying from SFO to Maui through HNL. Alaska claims to be going there through Seattle. Anybody have a recommendation? My first screen is likelihood that the flight will actually go.
May 31, 2020, 11:27 am
#120
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Okay; I left Maui in March, for a ten day mainland trip. Im still here. I need to get back to try to resurrect my Maui business, and I am thinking of leaving in late June. I'll just bite the bullet on the quarantine (I'll take a bunch of paper work, maybe I'll file my taxes...whatever). But how to get there from Denver?
The United SFO_HNL, and then figure a commuter over to Maui? I see on line that Mokulele is flying into the west side (JHM). That could be an option.
I think Hawaiian is flying from SFO to Maui through HNL. Alaska claims to be going there through Seattle. Anybody have a recommendation? My first screen is likelihood that the flight will actually go.
The United SFO_HNL, and then figure a commuter over to Maui? I see on line that Mokulele is flying into the west side (JHM). That could be an option.
I think Hawaiian is flying from SFO to Maui through HNL. Alaska claims to be going there through Seattle. Anybody have a recommendation? My first screen is likelihood that the flight will actually go.