United COO to employees: Consider voluntary separation / New 2021 separation program
May 5, 2020, 10:30 pm
#61
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No HVFs are flying now...nor will fly for at least the next 30-60 days. If UA can put together a network that make sense when they do, it could work out for all. After all, AA and DL are in the same boat now and the pastures aren't more green elsewhere.
May 5, 2020, 11:38 pm
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I am sure this is covered in other threads...how do pilots stay current with their certification if they:
1 - stay with UA but do not get to fly
2 - don't stay with UA and unemployed for a long time
It is just so hard to imagine people and companies reinventing themselves in such a difficult environment. Some do and come out stronger. So keep that hope!
1 - stay with UA but do not get to fly
2 - don't stay with UA and unemployed for a long time
It is just so hard to imagine people and companies reinventing themselves in such a difficult environment. Some do and come out stronger. So keep that hope!
May 6, 2020, 1:00 am
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Kirby is no Grove. They’re screwed.
May 6, 2020, 1:43 am
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May 6, 2020, 6:15 am
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Disagree. UA's boat was drilled with holes to start 2020 by management deciding to shift their mileage accrual structure to enable "HVFs" and structured "discounts" for their contractual corporate accounts. Go back to the change announcements and a significant move from many folks who'd stuck with UA and/or CO, with a multiplicity that were their loyal FFs for decades.
And now, they can't even deliver on a schedule that would enable their HVFs and forcing folks to take multiple stops. The time sensitive HVFs will choose what works, not what UA forces them into.
May 6, 2020, 6:19 am
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If they are sidelined for a while, they can get current when they are getting ready to return by doing some takeoffs and landings in a simulator. It is not like they will have to start all over with their training if they lose currency.
May 6, 2020, 8:27 am
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May 6, 2020, 9:17 am
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Aside from that, the usual slate of gripes and complaints about United from the pre-COVID era are meaningless now. This is a brave new world.
May 6, 2020, 10:07 am
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I can’t speak to corporate cuts, but I’m still holding out that the majority of the domestic frontline jobs will be saved. I can see things rebounding in the late Summer, fall, to the point where airlines can chart a more feasible path forward.
International travel will obviously take more time, so inflight & foreign ground crews might be in higher jeopardy.
International travel will obviously take more time, so inflight & foreign ground crews might be in higher jeopardy.
May 6, 2020, 10:08 am
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That is actually much lower than some other global companies (in different industries) that I am familiar with that are of similar headcount size. How does it compare to other airlines?
May 6, 2020, 10:32 am
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So will these 56 overpaid executives be whittled down by 30%? Anyone taking bets how many will be there after October 1?
May 6, 2020, 10:38 am
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They're already taken involuntary pay cuts (25%-50%) with immediate effect, and yes, many of them will be out of work on October 1. That's been internally communicated. Glad to see we have cheerleaders for it.
May 6, 2020, 10:39 am
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May 6, 2020, 11:25 am
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Disagree. UA's boat was drilled with holes to start 2020 by management deciding to shift their mileage accrual structure to enable "HVFs" and structured "discounts" for their contractual corporate accounts. Go back to the change announcements and a significant move from many folks who'd stuck with UA and/or CO, with a multiplicity that were their loyal FFs for decades.
For all we know it could have worked great - or not. No doubt in my mind this was a major internal project at UA - with a lot of data crunching - this was a major decision probably with some careers on the line so I don't buy into a certainty it wouldn't have worked.
May 6, 2020, 11:37 am
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Whether companies are hiring or not isn't really the point, however. The message sent to employees is that their jobs might not be there come October. As such, employees should probably start looking for other options. It doesn't hurt any employee to start looking. Should they be able to find another job, they can then make the decision as to whether to take it or not.