Impact of Shelter-in-Place restrictions on UA & UA traveler - CA/NY/IL/HI/TX/CO/....
Mar 20, 2020, 1:28 am
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The order stops all “non-essential” travel. Leaving your home to go to travel to the airport in order to go on vacation to another state would not be considered “essential”. That’s limited to picking up food or medicine or going to work at an essential job (medical, food supply, public safety etc.).
Of course nothing is really stopping you from doing so - other than your sense of public duty and ethics.
But today’s no-lockdown zone could quickly turn into one and get you stuck somewhere involuntarily or become a worse COVID hotspot so disobey health orders at your peril.
Of course nothing is really stopping you from doing so - other than your sense of public duty and ethics.
But today’s no-lockdown zone could quickly turn into one and get you stuck somewhere involuntarily or become a worse COVID hotspot so disobey health orders at your peril.
Mar 20, 2020, 1:34 am
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Actually they're mostly shutting down office work and boredom shopping - restaurants (takeaway/delivery), farmers markets, bakeries, ice cream shops, hardware stores, plant nurseries, banks, laundromats, shipping (UPS, FedEx, USPS) and even cannabis shops are still open. I do agree it's some weird twilight hour of everything being very serious but nothing vital/essential being out of hand (minus TP).
Mar 20, 2020, 6:07 am
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We passed that point quite some time ago. The real focus now is on 1) how long does it take us to get out of this, 2) how much damage to the economy will it do while we get out of it, and 3) how it will change society once it's over.
Mar 20, 2020, 8:20 am
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Mar 20, 2020, 8:41 am
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(Yes I intentionally excluded Sea-Tac, if Cali shuts down, Washington will likely do the same)
Mar 20, 2020, 9:29 am
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In any case, Id think he’d have to allow a few days notice for residents to get back. I’m not traveling to Houston today for work or pleasure. A good friend of mine has a couple of days remaining with pancreatic cancer. I’m going to say goodbye.
Mar 20, 2020, 10:41 am
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Closing a state’s border I don’t believe is solely a Governor’s perogative. As it affects interstate commerce, I’m pretty sure he’d have to get Federal approval.
In any case, Id think he’d have to allow a few days notice for residents to get back. I’m not traveling to Houston today for work or pleasure. A good friend of mine has a couple of days remaining with pancreatic cancer. I’m going to say goodbye.
In any case, Id think he’d have to allow a few days notice for residents to get back. I’m not traveling to Houston today for work or pleasure. A good friend of mine has a couple of days remaining with pancreatic cancer. I’m going to say goodbye.
Mar 20, 2020, 11:01 am
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No they are not, many businesses are still open, and people can go outside as often as they want provided they don't gather in large groups. This is California, people are going to ignore the rules national guard or not. Just now my hair salon called me to come down for a cut, they will let me inside, just need to knock on the door. Life goes on as usual, just need to adapt to small changes to remain safe.
Mar 20, 2020, 11:06 am
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No they are not, many businesses are still open, and people can go outside as often as they want provided they don't gather in large groups. This is California, people are going to ignore the rules national guard or not. Just now my hair salon called me to come down for a cut, they will let me inside, just need to knock on the door. Life goes on as usual, just need to adapt to small changes to remain safe.
Mar 20, 2020, 11:27 am
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A useful thread on the impact of "shelter-in-place" on non-essential travel in the Coronavirus Forum
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coro...we-travel.html
The short answer is non-essential travel is likely restricted (for SFO) although best to check your local guidelines.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coro...we-travel.html
The short answer is non-essential travel is likely restricted (for SFO) although best to check your local guidelines.
Mar 20, 2020, 12:49 pm
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No they are not, many businesses are still open, and people can go outside as often as they want provided they don't gather in large groups. This is California, people are going to ignore the rules national guard or not. Just now my hair salon called me to come down for a cut, they will let me inside, just need to knock on the door. Life goes on as usual, just need to adapt to small changes to remain safe.
Mar 20, 2020, 1:04 pm
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I see transportation inter state pretty critical and shouldn't be completely shut down, but again others may have other opinions that when 50% of the people could get it with .8% to 20% death rate, how can moving around be a critical need. Hard to see UA/DL/AA/SW and others can afford to run even 30% capacity and make enough money to cover their operation cost.
The economic costs are escalating and at some point the discussion about human cost versus the cost of not allowing humans to go about their natural business beyond of living and making a living. Not a recommendation that we should suspend "shelter at home" more wished we had executed a China like lockdown much earlier and then lifted earlier, as we are running more like a Italy situation then a So Korea, sadly we didn't listen to our own Crimson Contagion simulations and act when we could have more containment versus mitigation.
The economic costs are escalating and at some point the discussion about human cost versus the cost of not allowing humans to go about their natural business beyond of living and making a living. Not a recommendation that we should suspend "shelter at home" more wished we had executed a China like lockdown much earlier and then lifted earlier, as we are running more like a Italy situation then a So Korea, sadly we didn't listen to our own Crimson Contagion simulations and act when we could have more containment versus mitigation.
Mar 20, 2020, 2:09 pm
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Why on earth would anyone risk leisure travel right now. Unless it's critical to get from A to B stay at home. It's selfish and irresponsible to travel for non essential reasons now.
Mar 20, 2020, 5:14 pm
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looks similiar to California's, so discretionary travel would appear to be a violation. (misdemeanor in Calif if it was actually enforced)
Airlines are allow to operate to support "essential travel"
In Illinois, residents are still allowed to leave their homes for essential needs like:
- For health and safety: seeking emergency services, obtaining medical supplies or medication or visiting a health care professional
- For necessary supplies and services: obtaining groceries and food, household consumer products, supplies they need to work from home, and products necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operation of residences
- For outdoor activity: walking, hiking, running or biking – including going to public parks and open outdoor recreation areas, except for playgrounds
- For certain types of work: Providing essential products and services at Essential Businesses or Operations or otherwise carrying out activities specifically permitted in the order, including Minimum Basic Operations
- To take care of others: Caring for or transporting a family member, friend or pet in another household
What about travel?
In Illinois, only essential travel is permitted and must be done in accordance with social distancing requirements. That includes travel related to:
In Illinois, only essential travel is permitted and must be done in accordance with social distancing requirements. That includes travel related to:
- Performing Essential Activities, Essential Governmental Functions, Essential Businesses and Operations or Minimum Basic Operations
- Caring for elderly, minors, dependents, persons with disabilities or other vulnerable persons
- Receiving materials for distance learning, for receiving meals, and any other related services from an educational institution
- Returning to a place of residence from outside the jurisdiction
- Following the direction of law enforcement or court order, including to transport children pursuant to a custody agreement
- Returning to a place of residence outside the State for non-residents
Airlines are allow to operate to support "essential travel"