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StingWest Jan 18, 2013 7:05 am

Pricing & Speed Performance of UA in-flight Wifi {Archive}
 
I tried it (yesterday UA 931) LHR->SFO.

Price was $14.95 slower and $19.95 faster speeds.

Experience was just ok. I signed up for the slower version and tried it in two parts of the flight:

(a) About 2 hours into the flight (Greenland area): speed was miserable: 1.7 SECOND latency time, about 400kbps download and only 10 kbps upload. Although the download measurement seems ok, a technical user will know that such a long latencies makes most internet browsing virtually unusable. I was able to send small textual emails about 40% of the time - otherwise got a timeout (all speeds measured several times by speedtest.net)

(b) I tried it again over Canada and the speeds were better: Latency about 1 second, download about 700-800 kbps, upload also about 800 kbps. Browsing usable, and could send and receive small emails without problem.

SO, a mixed bag overall...

channa Jan 18, 2013 7:08 am

What's more, awareness is probably low since it's so new on UA. What's going to happen when more people start using it?

GoGo felt fast early on, until more people started using it.

mherdeg Jan 18, 2013 7:18 am

Just a quick plug — on network connections with unpredictable latency and flaky delivery rates, like cellular or satellite networks, if you're ever planning to ssh into machines and hang out at a remote command line, consider using Mosh (http://mosh.mit.edu/). You don't lose your shell even if you change IPs (roam from wired to wireless) or experience even a large window of undeliverable packets.

I've used mosh to preserve the same shell across roaming wireless networks and across continents, no worries, works great.

This is of course only relevant advice if you're doing command-line kinds of tasks — it's how I use my chat clients, for example — but it's not gonna work for keeping a stateful Web browser connection.

xman712 Jan 18, 2013 7:28 am

same as LH?
 
Is UA's provider the same as LH? I've used wi-fi on LH maybe 3-4 time last year FRA-BOS (vv) and the speed was always pretty impressive. Good enough to use both Skype (video) and FaceTime.

StingWest Jan 18, 2013 11:17 am

More information:

Forgot to add above that the Google.com site defaulted to Google, Philippines. Speedtest also calculated the closest test server as being in Atlanta for the first part of the flight and San Francisco for the second. This probably just indicates the location of the ground station serving the satellite feed or something, but was interesting.

Regarding the use of two-way streaming audio and video as in Facetime, Skype etc: Even if they don't explicitly block the ports for those services (which I assume they do), people might find them unusable because the huge latency to/from the satellite (not to mention that your seatmate might get a little tired of hearing you chat for hours on end!)

ben237829624 Jan 18, 2013 11:26 am

Since its satellite connection, it's not unusual to have latency > than 500ms. 400kb download speed is reasonable given its on an airplane. And latency does not affect web browsing as much as gaming or video streaming, you web page will still load.
Technically, the bandwidth satellite connection can provide is much bigger than the Gogo 3.1Mb/s which is shared by the everyone in the same coverage section.

LilAbner Jan 18, 2013 11:30 am

Rumor has it that they're using reconditioned, extremely high speed, routers originally used in the Red Carpet Clubs (aka United Clubs) !;)

StingWest Jan 19, 2013 6:58 am


Originally Posted by mherdeg (Post 20074156)
Just a quick plug — on network connections with unpredictable latency and flaky delivery rates, like cellular or satellite networks, if you're ever planning to ssh into machines and hang out at a remote command line, consider using Mosh (http://mosh.mit.edu/).

Thanks for the tip on Mosh - plan to put it on my Android phone!

Air Houston Jan 19, 2013 8:13 am


Originally Posted by LilAbner (Post 20076133)
Rumor has it that they're using reconditioned, extremely high speed, routers originally used in the Red Carpet Clubs (aka United Clubs) !;)

Let's hope its not equipment from GRU. Internet servce at that Club is horrendous.

EWR764 Jan 19, 2013 8:18 am

I'd be interested to see some more data points, e.g. North Atlantic tracks (where most East Coast-EU flights traverse), transpacific and domestic.

$14.99 sounds good for LHR-SFO, but I expect those prices to increase dramatically after the introductory period.

northpole999 Jan 19, 2013 11:35 am

I tried an air interent system a few years ago with LH. I enjoyed using Skype-Out to make a couple of brief calls (voice wasn't blocked then). It was provided by Boeing. Speed over the Atlantic was fine as I recall. It was expensive ($35) but I thought it worthwhile at the time.

ncorman Jan 19, 2013 11:49 am

The issue is that everyone will expect "4G" speeds and not think they are in a tube moving at 500mph.

Ari Jan 19, 2013 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by StingWest (Post 20074081)
I tried it (yesterday UA 931) LHR->SFO.

Price was $14.95 slower and $19.95 faster speeds.

Experience was just ok. I signed up for the slower version and tried it in two parts of the flight:

(a) About 2 hours into the flight (Greenland area): speed was miserable: 1.7 SECOND latency time, about 400kbps download and only 10 kbps upload. Although the download measurement seems ok, a technical user will know that such a long latencies makes most internet browsing virtually unusable. I was able to send small textual emails about 40% of the time - otherwise got a timeout (all speeds measured several times by speedtest.net)

(b) I tried it again over Canada and the speeds were better: Latency about 1 second, download about 700-800 kbps, upload also about 800 kbps. Browsing usable, and could send and receive small emails without problem.

SO, a mixed bag overall...

Anyone tested the "faster" connection?

Seems like the slower connection will work just fine for most business needs-- emails-- so long as you aren't using a webmail interface. The upload speed is troubling because people do have to send attachments from time to time.

kenziid3 Jan 19, 2013 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by LilAbner (Post 20076133)
Rumor has it that they're using reconditioned, extremely high speed, routers originally used in the Red Carpet Clubs (aka United Clubs) !;)

Thats very possible considering the high speed quality of both the routers and the toasters that are in use in said clubs.

lensman Jan 19, 2013 6:54 pm

After getting a little worried I decided to google a bit and found a few pieces of reassuring news.

So TLANT, the widebody installation will use Ku band satellites from Intelsat: http://blog.apex.aero/ife/big-bandwi...intelsat-deal/

The article speaks about capacity and coverage coming online with satellite launches in 2015 and 2016.

Haven't found any announcements about big bandwidth for the Pacific area or coverage for polar flights.


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