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Could United make a profit hauling cargo only out of China?

Could United make a profit hauling cargo only out of China?

Old Mar 11, 20, 4:39 am
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Could United make a profit hauling cargo only out of China?

Air freight out of Asia has doubled to tripled in price. China factories getting back online but cant meet deadlines using the slow boat.

Could you pack enough freight in a belly of those 773's to cashflow? No passengers so no cost of cabin crews.
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Old Mar 11, 20, 8:02 am
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I think there's other logistical issues too, not only the airfreight.
It's tough (although getting a lot easier) to have goods transported via trucks (to the airport), and there's reduced capacity of handling shipments (customs clearance, tax dept., etc.)
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Old Mar 11, 20, 8:20 am
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And pilots lives don't matter???
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Old Mar 11, 20, 8:51 am
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The supply chain in China is completely jacked up right now.

for a while they couldnít find enough truck drivers to moves goods as none of them wanted to go out.

the ones who did raised their prices significantly.

the overall supply chain disruption is huge. I have vendors who are back at work with 70% of their people but their suppliers are not so they canít do anything.

itll be 12-18 months before we have this disruption completely behind us.

because of this Iíd imagine a 777-300 configured for passenger load couldnít hold enough product to be competitive due to the massive underutilization of the cargo planes
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Old Mar 11, 20, 8:53 am
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Tough to make money with most cargo going one way only. It may work with all cargo jets but UA doesn't operate those.
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Old Mar 11, 20, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by bhunt View Post
Air freight out of Asia has doubled to tripled in price. China factories getting back online but cant meet deadlines using the slow boat.

Could you pack enough freight in a belly of those 773's to cashflow? No passengers so no cost of cabin crews.
Most package consolidations would't fit in a passenger aircraft luggage bin. KLM has/had those 747 Combis that could handle that type of job. Are they still around?
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Old Mar 11, 20, 9:01 am
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Most package consolidations would't fit in a passenger aircraft luggage bin. KLM has/had those 747 Combis that could handle that type of job. Are they still around?
Yes, KL still operates 744 Combis. I was on one in January. Really ancient seats and IFE. UA doesn't operate Combis either.
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Old Mar 11, 20, 11:32 am
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And pilots lives don't matter???
Right - do the pilots stay on the plane? Does every pilot have to have a 14 day quarantine when they get back? Seems like a logistical nightmare not to mention the risks to the air crew.
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Old Mar 11, 20, 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by rdurlabhji View Post
Right - do the pilots stay on the plane? Does every pilot have to have a 14 day quarantine when they get back? Seems like a logistical nightmare not to mention the risks to the air crew.
Even if you had 2 crews, one each way, crews never leave the plane, or a stop in GUM with a single crew taking the plane GUM-CHINA-GUM, again, never leaving the plane, there are still issues before the added costs. What if the plane went MX while it was there? Also, I'm sure there is some direct human to human contact while on the ground there.

Which raises the next question, how are the freight only carriers doing it? UPS, etc?
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Old Mar 11, 20, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by phkc070408 View Post
Even if you had 2 crews, one each way, crews never leave the plane, or a stop in GUM with a single crew taking the plane GUM-CHINA-GUM, again, never leaving the plane, there are still issues before the added costs. What if the plane went MX while it was there? Also, I'm sure there is some direct human to human contact while on the ground there.

Which raises the next question, how are the freight only carriers doing it? UPS, etc?
air crews, as well as cargo-only flights, are exempt from the china quarantine

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2020-0006-0001

This direction considers a person to have recently traveled from the People's Republic of China if that person departed from, or was otherwise present within, the People's Republic of China (excluding the special autonomous regions of Hong Kong and Macau) within 14 days of the date of the person's entry or attempted entry into the United States. Also, for purposes of this document, crew, and flights carrying only cargo (i.e., no passengers or non-crew), are excluded from the measures herein
that saying, i'm not privy to how cargo airlines stage their crew during this period for china (and europe), or how/whether those pilot/unions have reacted to the risks
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Old Mar 11, 20, 11:44 pm
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Originally Posted by seat38a View Post
And pilots lives don't matter???
Sure they do. Does UA still fly to Seattle?

If you trust the numbers reported on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ or https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6, the daily new infection rates in China are lower than in the US and the number fatalities in the Seattle area exceeds the number for Beijing.
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Old Mar 12, 20, 12:56 pm
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There are cargo companies that don't make a profit hauling cargo, not sure how/why UA could/world perform better when its not even their core business.
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Old Mar 12, 20, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by jhayes_1780 View Post
There are cargo companies that don't make a profit hauling cargo, not sure how/why UA could/world perform better when its not even their core business.
Well it feels like I'm cargo when stuck in E economy minus.
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Old Mar 12, 20, 8:03 pm
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Cargo yields have been going down for some time. FX is retiring lots of older jets, LHC has made lots of cuts.

The primary revenue on these flights was the self loading cargo.
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