P and Z fares to HNL (from NYC/PHL)
Feb 14, 2020, 3:31 pm
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P and Z fares to HNL (from NYC/PHL)
Are they gone? I'm search for either for midweek mid May from EWR to HNL - and NOT on the non stop and want to connect either in SFO or LAX overnight in both directions (airport doesn't matter). I can't find a flight with P or Z available.
I even tried cash + miles upgrade and those fares are absurd when mileage usage is figured in.
Should I just burn what I have and become airline agnostic like so many have done?
I even tried cash + miles upgrade and those fares are absurd when mileage usage is figured in.
Should I just burn what I have and become airline agnostic like so many have done?
Last edited by Mary2e; Feb 14, 2020 at 3:52 pm Reason: clairty... I don't want to go to Nottingham right now :)
Feb 14, 2020, 3:48 pm
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United doesn't fly to Nottingham from Honolulu, but there is a Sherwood Forest out Waimanalo way... 
Not quite sure what non-stop you intend...
I see plenty of P between HNL and LAX, but there are quite a few days where P is restricted to one or two flights, and those might not work w/ connections.
Not quite sure what non-stop you intend...
I see plenty of P between HNL and LAX, but there are quite a few days where P is restricted to one or two flights, and those might not work w/ connections.
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Feb 14, 2020, 3:52 pm
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I'm sorry, the route is either EWR or PHL to HNL. The capital NOT was for emphasis. I'll fix it now
Feb 14, 2020, 4:06 pm
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Thank you so much. BWI is a bit far for us.
I will look into the P fares between HNL and LAX. I can either book a different airline or just wait a bit longer.
Are you using Expert Flyer to search? I never signed up and I'm thinking I might for these situations.
I will look into the P fares between HNL and LAX. I can either book a different airline or just wait a bit longer.
Are you using Expert Flyer to search? I never signed up and I'm thinking I might for these situations.
Feb 14, 2020, 4:13 pm
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Yeah, I'm looking at it now... Thank you for looking for me. I found one flight that would work.
Feb 14, 2020, 5:23 pm
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UA has gotten much tighter with discount inventory in the past year or so with its new revenue management software. Very common to see only J, C and maybe D in advance on popular routes.
Feb 15, 2020, 7:33 am
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Worth noting that for most domestic routes, this coincided with adding an additional fare class for First, so Z and (now D) are each comparatively less expensive.
Feb 15, 2020, 8:43 am
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Yes, many of the routes I pay for first on cost about the same as they did 2 years ago (some even are cheaper) but now typically book into Z and D where before they were P.
Feb 15, 2020, 8:48 am
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I did more detailed hunting, and agree with all that's posted above. The P, Z, or D fares are considerably more expensive than in the past. Unfortunately, I need a popular route.... which is turning out to be the EWR/PHL to LAX or SFO.
Feb 15, 2020, 3:24 pm
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If you lock yourself into UA, you are likely to pay a higher fare t-con. Expanding the options to B6, DL, and AA increases the odds you'll find something reasonably priced.
Feb 16, 2020, 9:46 am
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Thanks. I’ve been checking all of them and I’m finding the prices pretty close. My hunt will continue.
Feb 18, 2020, 12:41 pm
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Are they gone? I'm search for either for midweek mid May from EWR to HNL - and NOT on the non stop and want to connect either in SFO or LAX overnight in both directions (airport doesn't matter). I can't find a flight with P or Z available.
I even tried cash + miles upgrade and those fares are absurd when mileage usage is figured in.
Should I just burn what I have and become airline agnostic like so many have done?
I even tried cash + miles upgrade and those fares are absurd when mileage usage is figured in.
Should I just burn what I have and become airline agnostic like so many have done?
For random dates mid may YYZ-HNL is 1366 CAD and EWR-HNL is 2800 CAD
I think even adding in a positioning flight to YYZ will save you a few grand for sure....
Feb 18, 2020, 2:21 pm
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Thanks - I'll take a look. I can't do the non-stop from EWR anyway - I'll have my little dog with me and the flight is too long.