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SFO-TPE Down gauged to Non-Polaris Dreamliner (789) -- March-April 2020

SFO-TPE Down gauged to Non-Polaris Dreamliner (789) -- March-April 2020

Old Feb 10, 20, 9:40 am
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SFO-TPE Down gauged to Non-Polaris Dreamliner (789) -- March-April 2020

Heading to TPE on March 4th and just noticed 77W down-guaged to non-polarized Dreamliner. Wonder how long this will last. Looks like UA is doing all they can to slash costs by operating the most fuel efficient frames possible on their remaining Asia routes. Lot of 77Ws siting idle...
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Old Feb 10, 20, 9:49 am
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SFO-TPE on 77W resumes 27MAR20, so it's only a couple weeks of downgauge.

Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly View Post
Lot of 77Ws siting idle...
Not necessarily. Prior to the nCov, UA 77W Asia routes were SFO-TPE/NRT and EWR-NRT/PVG. Only route that's actually suspended is EWR-PVG (and SFO-TPE briefly).
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Old Feb 10, 20, 10:01 am
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Originally Posted by hirohito888 View Post
SFO-TPE on 77W resumes 27MAR20, so it's only a couple weeks of downgauge.



Not necessarily. Prior to the nCov, UA 77W Asia routes were SFO-TPE/NRT and EWR-NRT/PVG. Only route that's actually suspended is EWR-PVG (and SFO-TPE briefly).
SFO-HKG 2x/day should also be 77W. That was down-guaged because of protests, but was going back. That's another 4-5 77Ws sitting around somewhere...
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Old Feb 10, 20, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly View Post
SFO-HKG 2x/day should also be 77W. That was down-guaged because of protests, but was going back. That's another 4-5 77Ws sitting around somewhere...
There's probably a lot of slack with the 21 77W, but I don't think there are 4-5 77W just sitting around.

I'm not an expert on fleet deployment but UA is currently flying 77W on:
EWR-GRU 2x frames, EWR-BOM 2x frames, EWR-TLV (2x daily) 2-3x frames, SFO/EWR-FRA 3x frames, SFO/EWR-NRT 3-4x frames
SFO-SYD 2x frames
Add 1x frame for some EWR-SFO domestic flying
2x frames in maintenance, and 1x frame in induction

That's around 20x frames. Again, probably not as optimized and leading to a lot of ground time. The slack can definitely be used on some more domestic flying such as more SFO-EWR or EWR-SJU.
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Old Feb 10, 20, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly View Post
SFO-HKG 2x/day should also be 77W. That was down-guaged because of protests, but was going back. That's another 4-5 77Ws sitting around somewhere...
SFO-HKG was actually planned to be downgauged when they introduced the second frequency, not because of protests; two 77Ws a day would have been too much lift. The protests just happened to pick up in intensity around the same time the second frequency started running and the corresponding equipment swap happened.
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Old Feb 10, 20, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by dkc192 View Post
SFO-HKG was actually planned to be downgauged when they introduced the second frequency, not because of protests; two 77Ws a day would have been too much lift. The protests just happened to pick up in intensity around the same time the second frequency started running and the corresponding equipment swap happened.
Correct.

It was first 77W after 744 retirement. Then downgauged to 772 for the second frequency. So SFO-HKG, by design, should not use 77W.
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Old Feb 10, 20, 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by hirohito888 View Post
The slack can definitely be used on some more domestic flying such as more SFO-EWR or EWR-SJU.
EWR-SJU has been seeing swap to 772/77W half the time since the PVG/PEK/HKG cancellations went into effect.
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Old Feb 10, 20, 1:44 pm
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Only for a little over a month. Ticket sales must have taken a huge hit, I've flown that route a ton of times and it's always been overbooked. Never seen an empty seat on the plane... over the past 4 years that route has gone from 777 -> 787 -> 747 and back to the 777.
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Old Feb 10, 20, 2:24 pm
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Flying on Feb 20th, still says 77W on mine with Polaris config, hope it sticks to that!!
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Old Feb 10, 20, 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly View Post
Heading to TPE on March 4th and just noticed 77W down-guaged to non-polarized Dreamliner. Wonder how long this will last. Looks like UA is doing all they can to slash costs by operating the most fuel efficient frames possible on their remaining Asia routes. Lot of 77Ws siting idle...
The demand is not there for many of the Asian destinations. It is not UA is doing this to splash cost on purpose. Too much capacity with the Coronavirus situation.

Fleet management need to be flexible to meet the changes in capacity and operating specifics. Most of business do that based on market situations as good practices.

I do see more wide bodies being deployed between SFO and IAD, IAH and SFO and also PS routes.
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Old Feb 15, 20, 12:42 pm
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Temporary down gauge SFO-TPE to 787-9 effective 1 March 2020

Temporary down gauge SFO-TPE from 777-300ER to 787-9 from 1 March 2020 to 22 April 2020


I was able to cancel my itinerary and receive a full refund because I purchased a Premium Plus seat and avoided a $300 cancellation fee.

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Old Feb 16, 20, 3:19 am
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I'm on the TPE-SFO flight on March 1 and it's still showing as a 777-300ER. If UA is starting the 787 on March 1, then the 773 should stay. Not the end of the world, but I hope it holds.
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Old Feb 16, 20, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by 1kBill View Post
I'm on the TPE-SFO flight on March 1 and it's still showing as a 777-300ER. If UA is starting the 787 on March 1, then the 773 should stay. Not the end of the world, but I hope it holds.
Effective date for TPE-SFO is 3 March to 24 April 2020.
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