EWR-ORD gate-to-gate 3 hours?

Old Feb 8, 20, 11:52 am
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EWR-ORD gate-to-gate 3 hours?

Just saw this upcoming flight is logging at almost 3 hours?is this the new way over time to avoid delays? Expecting hours of taxiing? Seems excessive
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Old Feb 8, 20, 12:16 pm
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It's not a night flight that coincides w/ a DST change, is it?
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Old Feb 8, 20, 12:22 pm
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Block times very from 2:40 to nearly 3:00 EWR/ORD depending on the time of day for departure.

Flight time is roughly around two hours, additional padding is based on the historical taxi times during peak rush hour periods.
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Old Feb 8, 20, 12:29 pm
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I remember years ago on a United EWR-ORD flight in the winter we were told that we were flying at 18,000' because of headwinds of up to 250 mph.
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Originally Posted by jp12687
EWR-ORD 3 hours?
1 hour for the inevitable EWR ground hold which made inbound flight late.
0.5 hour to get away from the gate, taxi, wait in line for takeoff before actually taking off.
1.25 hour to fly to Lake Michigan, turn left and land.
0.25 hour to drive around all of the taxiways of ORD to get to C32.

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Originally Posted by DELee
1 hour for the inevitable EWR ground hold which made inbound flight late.
0.5 hour to get away from the gate, taxi, wait in line for takeoff before actually taking off.
1.25 hour to fly to Lake Michigan, turn left and land.
0.25 hour to drive around all of the taxiways of ORD to get to C32.

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You forgot the time that it takes to de-ice the aircraft so let's add 0.5 for good measure.
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Old Feb 8, 20, 2:55 pm
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The schedule padding can get a bit ridiculous. It's not limited to UA either - I was blocked for 1h20m on an ATL-CLT hop on DL, and I arrived almost 30 minutes early. That's close to 50% of the block time!
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Old Feb 8, 20, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
The schedule padding can get a bit ridiculous. It's not limited to UA either - I was blocked for 1h20m on an ATL-CLT hop on DL, and I arrived almost 30 minutes early. That's close to 50% of the block time!
The ridiculous schedule padding is not just an obligatory number that the airlines add but is determined using historical flight data for a particular flight departing at a specific time.

Simply put, it does not help the airline to over estimate block times. It costs the airline more money in crew costs every minute that is padded. Additionally, duty limits are based on these block times and artificially increasing them only exasperates the chance of a crew timing out.
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Old Feb 8, 20, 3:35 pm
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DOT requires that the block times reflect the reality. It is far from "padding" to include the times above. Sure, it means an early arrival on occasion, but nobody has a crystal ball.

UA has an economic interest in accurate scheduling.
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You guys want to know how accurate block times are my block vs credit over last 9 months is within 4 minutes. So from brakedrop to brake application at the gate over 600 hours of flighttime is 4 minutes less than i was scheduled. Im pretty sure block is just historical average.

Granted im a regional pilot but im pretty sure daddy united sets the block.
Edit i cant math apparently and 4 hours not mins leaving error up. Luckily i fly better than i interpret spreadsheets

Grand Total: Scheduled: 612:12 Actual: 607:52 -4:-20

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Old Feb 8, 20, 7:12 pm
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I was on DL a few weeks ago during that huge NE storm from JFK to ORD. De-icing took 45 min and was another 15 till take off. Captain went way south due to headwinds. Flight time ended up being 2:40. Then the endless taxi once landed in ORD. Whole ordeal was just few mins shy of 4 hours. I don't think its unreasonable at all for a winter/spring schedule.
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Old Feb 8, 20, 7:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Falconkidding
You guys want to know how accurate block times are my block vs credit over last 9 months is within 4 minutes. So from brakedrop to brake application at the gate over 600 hours of flighttime is 4 minutes less than i was scheduled. Im pretty sure block is just historical average.

Granted im a regional pilot but im pretty sure daddy united sets the block.

Grand Total: Scheduled: 612:12 Actual: 607:52 -4:-20
That looks like 4 hours difference, not 4 minutes? It's still less than 1 percent off, so quite accurate.
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Old Feb 8, 20, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by milski
That looks like 4 hours difference, not 4 minutes? It's still less than 1 percent off, so quite accurate.
yep my bad lol was reading numbers off my last pairing and got scales wrong.
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Old Feb 9, 20, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by clubord
Block times very from 2:40 to nearly 3:00 EWR/ORD depending on the time of day for departure.

Flight time is roughly around two hours, additional padding is based on the historical taxi times during peak rush hour periods.
Yeah, I was going to say this is pretty normal. Especially when you can end up taxiing for 10+ miles (I'm exaggerating) at ORD.
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Old Feb 9, 20, 4:20 pm
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Don't know if it's still the case, but in the past the guideline from the gummint was that flights were expected to arrive "on time" (within 15 minutes of schedule) at least 85% of the time. Since it's impossible to predict a specific day's weather 9 months in advance, it's obviously necessary to use historical averages for winds, taxi in and taxi out times, etc.

It does seem to me, though, that the requirements should be more flexible as a flight gets longer. Having 15 minutes leeway on a 1-hour flight is nothing; having to adhere to the same limit on a 10+ hour flight is another matter!
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