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STS-134 Jan 30, 20 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by east_west (Post 32014190)
Air France crew unions demanded a halt to flights to PEK and PVG on Thursday and AF-KLM suspended Friday. Hard to imagine UA crews are willing to work these flights (and the necessary overnight layovers) when many other major western airlines have halted flights.

The proper way to solve this problem is the same way the government gets people to accept diplomatic jobs in locations with undesirable living conditions. Pay people a bonus for accepting those assignments voluntarily. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardship_post

east_west Jan 30, 20 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 32014201)
Actually, I find it very easy to believe. I suspect labor relations at UA are much better than labor relations at AA or AF.

What do labor relations have to do with catching this virus?

east_west Jan 30, 20 6:29 pm


Originally Posted by STS-134 (Post 32014250)
The proper way to solve this problem is the same way the government gets people to accept diplomatic jobs in locations with undesirable living conditions. Pay people a bonus for accepting those assignments voluntarily. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardship_post

By all accounts these flights are not running at close to capacity (at least outbound to China), so not sure why UA would want to pay their crew more to fly these flights. They'd just be losing more money.

jsloan Jan 30, 20 6:32 pm


Originally Posted by east_west (Post 32014251)
What do labor relations have to do with catching this virus?

Nothing. Which, I suspect, is exactly how much those actions -- lawsuits and refusals to fly -- have to do with catching a virus.

Unless you expect UA to suspend all flights to cities that have a flu outbreak, I don't see why UA (or any other) crew should refuse to fly these flights.

STS-134 Jan 30, 20 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by east_west (Post 32014273)
By all accounts these flights are not running at close to capacity (at least outbound to China), so not sure why UA would want to pay their crew more to fly these flights. They'd just be losing more money.

Cut flights to get load factors on remaining flights up, and if necessary, pay crew members a bonus to run the few flights that aren't cut so you have crew members to run them.

uastarflyer Jan 30, 20 6:40 pm

I foresee round 3 of cuts coming soon. Still feels like too much capacity after Feb 10

east_west Jan 30, 20 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 32014281)
Nothing. Which, I suspect, is exactly how much those actions -- lawsuits and refusals to fly -- have to do with catching a virus.

Unless you expect UA to suspend all flights to cities that have a flu outbreak, I don't see why UA (or any other) crew should refuse to fly these flights.

Nearly every major western company has no-go bans on travel to China right now. The CDC urges travelers to avoid China for non-essential travel. The WHO just issued a PHEIC. BA/IB/VS/LH/LX/OS/AF/AC/SK/LY have all cancelled direct service to China. These things don't happen during flu outbreaks.

So you don't think UA crew would rather not work these flights no matter how enamored they are with management?

EDIT: Looks like UA will allow crew to drop these trips without pay.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1ZT33W
"Pilots at United Airlines, the largest U.S. airline to China, concerned for their safety will be allowed to drop their trip without pay, according to a Wednesday memo from their union to members."

david_oz Jan 30, 20 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by J.Edward (Post 32013309)
Also if you pulled PPoints with a JAN 2020 expiration date, requalified for 1K/GS for the 2020 year, are planning on rebooking prior to APR 30 2020, and have NOT already extended 80 points, make sure to request an extension of the points.

One the trip I canceled earlier this month I had a similar issue where UA redeposited the points (good) but they had a JAN 31 2020 expiration date and the agent was able to extend them out until APR 30 2020.

More details on this thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...al-gs-1ks.html

and what if I make the change some time in February? Do I just lose the plus points? I honestly can’t recall whether it was an expiring GPU or new GPU when I applied it.

djstrikkmaster Jan 30, 20 7:09 pm

A UA agent changed my March award flights today so I'm no longer going through China. With three separate reservations, it took a while but it all worked out. I ended up downgrading my one business class flight because the options weren't great but I'm being refunded the miles. I'm happy with the way it all worked out.

PsiFighter37 Jan 30, 20 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by uastarflyer (Post 32014310)
I foresee round 3 of cuts coming soon. Still feels like too much capacity after Feb 10

Given how much UA has invested in building out routes to China over decades, I find it hard-pressed to think they cancel everything outright. I would guess that the absolute slimmest they go is 3x weekly on each of SFO-HKG/PVG and suspending SFO-PEK.

milesmilesmiles Jan 30, 20 7:37 pm

Strongest warning yet by the State Department .....”Do not travel to China”
This might force UA to cancel ......not just selectively reduce ....all flights.
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...-advisory.html

Weatherboy Jan 30, 20 7:56 pm


Originally Posted by milesmilesmiles (Post 32014487)
Strongest warning yet by the State Department .....”Do not travel to China”
This might force UA to cancel ......not just selectively reduce ....all flights.
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...-advisory.html

With this latest warning, it is likely UA will cancel all service

gokeeper Jan 30, 20 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by Weatherboy (Post 32014530)
With this latest warning, it is likely UA will cancel all service

Agree, expect announcement tomorrow morning..

FlyingHighlander Jan 30, 20 8:26 pm


Originally Posted by east_west (Post 32014332)
Nearly every major western company has no-go bans on travel to China right now. The CDC urges travelers to avoid China for non-essential travel. The WHO just issued a PHEIC.

Yep, many have banned business travel. I know of one very large company that has suspended travel to/within the entire APAC region, including Aus/NZ.

download Jan 30, 20 9:42 pm

Will be interesting to see when United fully cuts off service given the State Department’s announcement.


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