Bunky

772:
N78013 sked to exit HKG 2849/10May with Polaris/PP
N77014 is only non-Polaris 772GE and its stored in IAH.

uastarflyer

Are all converted 772s both Polaris+PP?

How many 77Ws out of the total are not equipped with PP? Were they planned to be adjusted with PP?

Hoping all the large birds have both on all my future routes!

EWR764

They are good airplanes in terms of CASM, but are the only type in the fleet with CF6 engines, have different landing gear than other 767s, a different cockpit layout (requires a different sim that gets minimal contract use), pays pilots more and needs refurbishment to be competitive on international, whenever that comes back. The decision hasn't been made to retire the fleet completely, but it's definitely on the chopping block, and it doesn't look like see them in service for at least a year (best case), if ever.

Same with the 757-222s, as those are in a non-standard configuration with different (PW2000) engines. Of course, the entire 757 fleet, including the RR frames, could be on the way out, too.

I strongly doubt Delta is buying any widebodies at this point. Their 764s are all Pratt-powered, and mostly parked in MZJ/VCV for just as long as United's will be at ROW, if not longer. International/long haul won't return for DL any faster than it will for United, which means everyone has a glut of big airplanes on property.

wavid

According to the fleet site, all of the 77Ws have Polaris and Premium Plus.

dkc192

Yes. There are only a handful (4-6) of non-converted 772s left.

United857

Actually just 1 (N77014) that has not yet been converted. The other 3 (N783UA in XMN and N76010/N78013 in HKG) are exiting today and tomorrow with the retrofits completed.

N219/220/221/222UA were never scheduled to receive the retrofits and before the pandemic were slated to receive a high-density domestic config for the EWR/ORD/IAD-Hawaii flights. Only N222UA actually had the chance to be converted and was sent straight to ROW upon returning in late March from HKG to join N219/220/221UA in the desert. In the current environment I wouldn't be surprised if these four are instead retired.

UAL757222

Those planes are all 2001 built 777s. I’d be very surprised to see them retired. Especially since the money spent on the STC to convert one has already been burned and the seats ordered.

PsiFighter37

There aren't any sacred cows in the fleet (except for maybe the 787s, which are all pretty new)...if it makes monetary sense for UA to retire them, I suspect they will do so.

Bunky

319:
N880UA, Ex China Southern B-2296 exited XMN Induction 2703/11May, headed to USA via ANC

772:
N783UA exited XMN 2750/11May in Polaris/PP, completing 772PW Polaris program (3 stored ITPE 772PWs to become Domestic in limbo)
N798UA exited maint XMN 26900/11May
Re: 772 Domestic reconfig. 3 remaining units. The STC is already paid and the mod isn't that major with I don't think any lavs moved. The ERs are more valuable on ORD-Hawaii service to avoid weight restrictions and could open up 7772 service from EWR-HNL.
UA would have to buy the Y seats, but possibly just pull them out of 6 older 772A units that could be retired. The 772A units probably have more cycles from domestic service. But, then again, UA may have the three 772ERs the block for sale.

77W:
N2140U exited XMN maint 2855/11May
N2142U entered XMN maint 2145/11May

RE 764s, EWR764, all 764s have GE CF6 engines - All but one DL 763 has PW engines.
UA must be parking the 764 fleet until the aircraft sell as they are too valuable to scrap vs. older 763s. Looking at all the above posts it makes sense to dump that fleet under the current circumstances. 1.) demand down/cash crisis, 2.) Polaris not installed, 3.) small fleet with only CF6 engines in entire fleet, 4.) resale value, 5.) how many believe pilot pay difference vs. 763 was a factor? 6.) If they don;t sell, UA could pull them out of the desert in a couple years if demand returns

seakrait

Any chance the B737-900 non-ER and the B767-300ER Polaris 2-class get scrapped/sold/retired as well?

Previously I predicted all the ex-UA 752's and all non-Polaris 763's (EXCEPT 6674) will go.

ORDnHKG

Well there are multiple versions of 772A units, not all have more cycles, it comprises of three configs 77C 23xx, 77D 24xx, 77A 25xx, 77C and 77D are the oldest but have less cycles since they were originally 3 class TATL birds, 77A were pure domestic since their deliveries, but they are much younger, even younger than many 77N/77U

Looks like lots of decisions.

Bunky

Thanks for the info. In any case they would have more cycles than the 6 year younger 772ERs, I presume.
It sounds like 2500 units have probably flown Domestic since 2000, the 4 to 5 year older 3200 & 2400 aircraft have flown international for 20 years and Domestic for about 3 years. Maybe a toss-up on cycle differences.

United857

Not quite that simple either. Around 2010-2012, the 25xx fleet underwent retrofits to install barcalounger seats in first class pulled from the IPTE retrofit program. During that time, the 3 23xx birds were converted from international to HD domestic with barcaloungers, and the the lavatories were reconfigured to produce identical seat layouts to the 25xx domestic fleet.

Later around 2016-2017 when the the 24xx 777-200 non-ER fleet was pulled from international duty and converted to the present day HD domestic config, the 23xx/25xx fleets went in for retrofit again to replace the barcaloungers in first class with IPTE flat beds. However, this time around, they did not bother reconfiguring the lavatories on the 24xx fleet to match the domestic 23xx/25xx fleets.

This is why the 1995-produced international 23xx fleet and the 2000-produced domestic 25xx fleet share the same lavatory config/seat map, while the 1995-1996 produced international 24xx fleet is different.

atword

I actually enjoyed the infinite legroom on the on the 25xx and 23xx. I had more than a few great flights GUM-HNL and HNL-ORD in that configuration, and there was no need to step over someone else.

EWR764

Yup, realized that after I posted but forget it was in this thread to edit! PW4062 were an option on the 764 but but never taken up.

With that said, I don't see Delta taking any and agree with your reasoning as to why they are an easy target to pull down for now. If UA had already sunk tens of millions into cabin mods we might have a different story, but as it is now, it's a relatively cost-effective fleet to park.