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[Unconfirmed] UA Preparing to Sell E+ at Booking as Separate Cabin (like DL C+)

[Unconfirmed] UA Preparing to Sell E+ at Booking as Separate Cabin (like DL C+)

Old Nov 8, 19, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by cesco.g View Post
Is the DL C+ system also applied to international/overseas tickets?
If so, I imagine such a rollout could affect overseas reservations eventually as well .....
Yes, same rules for international flights.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by 1353513636 View Post
I don't think they need to remove E+ from Golds to offer this....more concerning to one's ability to get E+ is the tiny E+ cabins on the new 787 retrofits. I am happy about this as they were leaving money on the table with the old system, for example, I'm allowed to book PE on transcons but not allowed to pay for premium seats....but most flights on UA didn't have PE so I was stuck in E-.

I'd even buy these out of my own pocket if I could get an E+ seat at booking and mileage credit for a B fare to a foreign program.
Let's assume that 50% of business flyers are in the same situation as you, then this change would mean that there would be a huge increase in the percentage of "sold" E+ seats because previously unbookable seats now fit into corporate criteria for "economy" travel. This should result in an average price increase, and thus more revenue, for UA and decreased availability of "free" E+ for elites, no?
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Old Nov 8, 19, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by findark View Post
Yes, same rules for international flights.
Generally yes, but some DL widebody international aircraft currently have premium economy but not C+.

Also, IIRC southern South America flights had been treated differently and continuing to permit C+ access by paying just the seat fee, with elites being able to pick these seats themselves since C+ wasn't treated as a separate cabin class on these routes. I don't know whether this has changed recently to mirror how C+ is handled on other routes.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by zombietooth View Post
...This should result in an average price increase, and thus more revenue, for UA and decreased availability of "free" E+ for elites, no?
Yes. Some business travelers will now be able to book economy fares that include E+ seats that they would not normally occupy. It will affect some who book the cheaper (non-BE) fares and want the free E+ due to shrinking availability..

All we know is that E+ is potentially being bundled w/ some fares. UA hasn't gurgled anything about changes to free E+ selection - that is all speculation. The only real impact that can be discerned from the bundling at this point is probably less inventory of E+ seats for free.

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Old Nov 8, 19, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo View Post
If they remove E+ from Gold, then I'm kind of glad that they devalued the program - it just confirms my view that I'm done with UA after I've used the instruments I earned for 2020.
If true, i will not go to extra lengths to get to MM next year.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 11:48 am
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This is CLEARLY what's coming (E+ as a separate booking class)... it's painfully obvious. We'll see how UA handles the E+ seating benefit for elites.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 12:39 pm
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Maybe the most important question is "how far in advance would United tell us that the E+ benefit is going to become more restrictive?" (whether Golds lose at-booking, or other reductions).
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Old Nov 8, 19, 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by zombietooth View Post
Let's assume that 50% of business flyers are in the same situation as you, then this change would mean that there would be a huge increase in the percentage of "sold" E+ seats because previously unbookable seats now fit into corporate criteria for "economy" travel. This should result in an average price increase, and thus more revenue, for UA and decreased availability of "free" E+ for elites, no?
Totally agree. While this will piss off a bunch of frequent flyers, it is a brilliant revenue move.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 12:47 pm
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Wonder if UA will start giving drinks like AA/DL in these rows now. DL also does better snacks in C+.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo View Post
If they remove E+ from Gold, then I'm kind of glad that they devalued the program - it just confirms my view that I'm done with UA after I've used the instruments I earned for 2020.
Yep - that sound you hear is just one more nail being pounded into the coffin.

Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
E- isn't bad. It's standard legacy carrier Economy. Perhaps a bit worse than DL and a bit better than AA.

But yes, any business traveler working on the plane is going to at least want an extra legroom seat.
Um, I'm guessing you're not 6'5" - E- in torture for me.

Originally Posted by jasonp622 View Post
If true, i will not go to extra lengths to get to MM next year.
In spades. What have I done wrong that UA hates me so much. I'm a decades-long loyal traveler, having flown nothing by UA or their partners. They can thank be for being a loyal 1K customer, but every action they take says otherwise.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 1:37 pm
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This is definitely another prime example of devaluing UA status, but not surprising since almost every change they make is for the worse. On the flip side, this is a potential benefit for all of the non-UA *A fliers, as we may (hopefully) be able to earn more miles on a UA flight when booking E+. As it stands now, there is no benefit to paying extra for E+ in terms of earning. As long as UA has their ridiculous MQD, I will continue to earn with any other *A program that does not have such requirements. Basically, it is just one more reason to choose a program other than UA for earning mileage.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 1:53 pm
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Pretty soon they will put a coin slot on the lavatory door.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH View Post
I guess that depends on what year you start "legacy". Noone is going to tell me UA's current average E- coach pitch is the same as it was 20 years ago. And no one is goin to tell me 10-across on some planes is "legacy".
1. I don't know about "average", but 31 inch pitch has been industry standard since at least the early 1980's. If you want to say RJ's and a couple of high density 30" configurations bring the average down a bit, maybe. At the same time, modern seats are ergonomic and have adjustable headrests too.

2. Only one plane, the 777, has the narrow seats, and they are still just about 17" wide, i.e., no narrower than the seats on an old 727.

3. And by the way- I am 6'3". I love the E+ benefit. I am just saying, there's nothing particularly outrageous about E-, it's industry standard economy.

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Old Nov 8, 19, 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by zombietooth View Post
Let's assume that 50% of business flyers are in the same situation as you, then this change would mean that there would be a huge increase in the percentage of "sold" E+ seats because previously unbookable seats now fit into corporate criteria for "economy" travel. This should result in an average price increase, and thus more revenue, for UA and decreased availability of "free" E+ for elites, no?
I can't say that's unjust, though. Really, people paying full fare or close to it should have always had access to E+. It's weird that they didn't.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by downinit View Post
This is definitely another prime example of devaluing UA status, but not surprising since almost every change they make is for the worse. On the flip side, this is a potential benefit for all of the non-UA *A fliers, as we may (hopefully) be able to earn more miles on a UA flight when booking E+. As it stands now, there is no benefit to paying extra for E+ in terms of earning. As long as UA has their ridiculous MQD, I will continue to earn with any other *A program that does not have such requirements. Basically, it is just one more reason to choose a program other than UA for earning mileage.
I should also add that with all the emphasis on spend, it is also weird that E+ ever didn't count as spend. Bag fees and BOB too.

If you are spending on UA, it should count as spend.
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