The Wiki states:
If you received a lifetime Club membership from the UA MM program ........... When did United give lifetime Club membership from the UA MM program ??? |
Originally Posted by libuser
(Post 30453391)
in the 10 years or i have had my LT membership i have also used the UA lounges under 20 times when flying other airlines. I bet we are in the 0.0001% of all of their guests.
It would seem silly to impose that restriction on us. |
Originally Posted by BF263533
(Post 30455751)
The Wiki states:
If you received a lifetime Club membership from the UA MM program ........... When did United give lifetime Club membership from the UA MM program ??? |
Originally Posted by LBJ
(Post 30455887)
...if you were to push this legally that they might end up offering some sort of pro-rated refund rather than making policy exceptions.
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
(Post 30456595)
And the mathematician in me asks exactly what numbers could you possibly use to calculate a “pro-rated refund”? Intended to avoid unwanted media exposure. |
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
(Post 30456595)
And the mathematician in me asks exactly what numbers could you possibly use to calculate a “pro-rated refund”? |
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 30456652)
Intended to avoid unwanted media exposure.
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 30456669)
My guess if you do the equivalent NPV calculation on the purchase of the LT UC membership and the lowest cost of UC membership in the years since the LT purchase has a return value exceeding most investments. And add in the future value ( even if reduced somewhat due to this change) and financial result is even more in the purchaser's advantage.
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 30456669)
My guess if you do the equivalent NPV calculation on the purchase of the LT UC membership and the lowest cost of UC membership in the years since the LT purchase has a return value exceeding most investments. And add in the future value ( even if reduced somewhat due to this change) and financial result is even more in the purchaser's advantage.
”pro-rata” is the term I have an issue wrt “refund” (it can’t be defined), but some sort of goodwill gesture might be due. Making an exemption would just provide a new avenue for agents to make wrong turns. |
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
(Post 30457005)
Future value cannot be defined because (as a group) everyone won’t agree to die on the same day and year or (individually) one can’t provide a date of death (in most cases) 🙂 |
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 30456652)
Intended to avoid unwanted media exposure. If UA stood its ground in Lagen v United Airlines lifetime million miler suit - with all its ugliness, including the written dissent by a Federal Appeals and then the court affirming they can unilaterally change lifetime benefits which had a lot of media exposure - then they certainly don't care about this. Delta announced this several months before UA - where is the unwanted media exposure for them? Lagen v UA set precedent at a Federal Appeals Court level - I can't imagine any reputable law firm would remotely entertain this - I can only imagine how money was lost by the Lagen attorneys who probably felt certain UA would settle and divvy up attorney fees. |
Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer
(Post 30457076)
If UA stood its ground in Lagen v United Airlines lifetime million miler suit - with all its ugliness, including the written dissent by a Federal Appeals and then the court affirming they can unilaterally change lifetime benefits which had a lot of media exposure - then they certainly don't care about this.
"The most basic and powerful fact is the plain meaning of the word United chose to attract plaintiff's business: “lifetime.” That's hard to reconcile with “until we change our minds.” /.../ Consumer fraud cases must be handled through the Department of Transportation. However bad United's conduct may have been, it must be addressed in the manner that Congress prescribed." - Judge David F. Hamilton, 7th U.S. Circuit |
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 30457200)
The court in Lagen punted to Congress.
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Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 30457420)
That's not exactly correct. The Seventh Circuit affirmed on two grounds - the promise to million milers was not part of the contract with Lagen, and any deceptive practices claim would be preempted by the ADA. The dissenting judge believed UA's conduct to be fraudulent. He was outvoted.
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Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 30457500)
Obviously, all dissenting judges are outvoted. All 3 recognized the Act’s preemptive effect. MileagePlus Program rules have always allowed United to tinker with the program and Lagen failed to prove that Million–Miler bennies are/were separate. But the Court cited a 1992 ruling that the ADA “does not give the airlines carte blanche to lie to and deceive consumers." It channels grievances to DOT, the choice Congress made.
And does UA want this to be the test case? I'd wager that UAs lawyers have been debating this since I raised the issue. |
Originally Posted by ctownflyer
(Post 30457786)
I'd wager that UAs lawyers have been debating this since I raised the issue.
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