Nov 2, 2019, 11:43 pm
Last edit by: zebranz
So, is anything happening with this? Just curious (Oct 3, 2019)
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Related thread: Club member/one-time pass access changes Nov 1, 2019 (same day BP on UA or partner) Original thread -- focused on the basic access issue, most lifetime membership posts have been moved to this lifetime thread
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ctownflyer
hog Heaven
AAdmiral
nsx + 1
RichardInSF
Sykes
soartoday
lax2jfk2lax
libuser + 1
Xyzzy + 1
Buster CT1K
1K Student
Elitefreak
flyer austin + 1 (wiki-restricted member, added by IAH-OIL-TRASH)
Radonc1 + 1 (not a FT member but has LT membership)
Halo117
mikey
Mnmag
Vulcan
lateacher
kmersh
MazdaMP
bajong
sandiego1k
thesilb
HnlJay
nachosdelux
wtigerFF
a1bengal
benolaa
LeslieandDiane
SPN Lifer +1
YRKInsider
texd
IAHtraveler
nzpilot
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seacarl
Related thread: Club member/one-time pass access changes Nov 1, 2019 (same day BP on UA or partner) Original thread -- focused on the basic access issue, most lifetime membership posts have been moved to this lifetime thread
Lifetime Member Edition: UC access changes Nov 1, 2019 (same day BP on UA or partner)
Nov 6, 2019, 4:03 pm
#691
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That's 15 chicken sandwiches.
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Nov 6, 2019, 5:25 pm
#692
Moderator: Midwest, Las Vegas & Dining Buzz
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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I don't know the answer to this question and don't know if it is buried in this lengthy thread.
If I have access to the club, does my guest also have to have a UA (or *A) boarding pass or can any BP work?
If I have access to the club, does my guest also have to have a UA (or *A) boarding pass or can any BP work?
Nov 6, 2019, 5:30 pm
#693
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,359
They would also need a UA/*A boarding pass if you have guest access.
Nov 7, 2019, 6:47 am
#694
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Washington State
Posts: 1,777
Denied entry at SEA
United Club
11/7 5:26 AM
Flying Delta on a route that United does not fly
Attendant quoted the policy that you must be flying United but said that the lounge agents disagreed with that policy but it was not their choice. She told me it was to ease overcrowding.
Personally that reason is a pile of dung when it comes to lifetime members. Since I am the first poster to post that a lifetime member has been denied, and it's been almost a week that the policy has been in effect, there obviously aren't very many lifetime members entering the clubs on days when they aren't flying United.
United Club
11/7 5:26 AM
Flying Delta on a route that United does not fly
Attendant quoted the policy that you must be flying United but said that the lounge agents disagreed with that policy but it was not their choice. She told me it was to ease overcrowding.
Personally that reason is a pile of dung when it comes to lifetime members. Since I am the first poster to post that a lifetime member has been denied, and it's been almost a week that the policy has been in effect, there obviously aren't very many lifetime members entering the clubs on days when they aren't flying United.
Last edited by Mikey; Nov 7, 2019 at 7:18 am
Nov 7, 2019, 9:12 am
#695
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Port St Lucie, FL, UA1K since 1994 and 3mm, Delta 1mm
Programs: Marriott Titanium Life, Hilton Gold
Posts: 565
As someone posted the 2011 terms ----
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
You are not an old time flier.. These are Clubs,, Red Carpet, Clipper Club. There was no TSA back then, no security check point. I used to work at the airport (JFK) and go after work. Used to hold up there when meeting VIP visitors... My Delta card dates back to Pan Am in 1980 when I was offered it for $300. They threw in a free domestic ticket which made it zero cost
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
I don't have a dog in this race, but it sounds like the argument is, "Legally, we have no standing, but we think some court should apply judgment and reinstate our privilege..." However, aren't you on the wrong side of the judgment argument? You're asking a company to provide a service, that costs them money, when you're flying a competitor, which essentially hurts them. It just defies common sense.
Again, if you've got a legal path to victory, certainly take it, but if this comes down to judgment, you guys are toast...
Again, if you've got a legal path to victory, certainly take it, but if this comes down to judgment, you guys are toast...
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 7, 2019 at 9:53 am Reason: merged consecutive posts by same member
Nov 7, 2019, 9:26 am
#696
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As someone posted the 2011 terms ----
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
"United reserves the right to amend or modify these terms and conditions at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers."
Nov 7, 2019, 9:28 am
#697
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Washington State
Posts: 1,777
I know we're all quibbling about words. How many of us are actual attorneys? I don't know.
Let's just get a few more folks that have been denied and consult an attorney.
Unless United decides to do the right thing for lifetime members.
Let's just get a few more folks that have been denied and consult an attorney.
Unless United decides to do the right thing for lifetime members.
Nov 7, 2019, 9:36 am
#698
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Programs: UA 1K 1MMer & LT UC (when flying UA); Hyatt Credit Cardist; HHonors Diamond; Marriott Gold via UA 1K
Posts: 6,956
As someone posted the 2011 terms ----
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
A court may disagree, but I don't think that there is any arguing that what United is doing is not morally sound by any stretch of the imagination. I am still hoping that somebody upstairs will recognize that doing the right thing is a fundamental principle of corporate responsibility.
I have spent more time reading and posting in this thread than I ever expect to spend in UC's on non-*A tickets in my lifetime (assuming UA grants the exemption). It's all about the principle.
Nov 7, 2019, 9:57 am
#699
Join Date: Feb 2015
Programs: united
Posts: 1,636
As someone posted the 2011 terms ----
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
You are not an old time flier.. These are Clubs,, Red Carpet, Clipper Club. There was no TSA back then, no security check point. I used to work at the airport (JFK) and go after work. Used to hold up there when meeting VIP visitors... My Delta card dates back to Pan Am in 1980 when I was offered it for $300. They threw in a free domestic ticket which made it zero cost
United reserves the right to restrict, alter or modify the fees, amenities, services, Club hours, locations, reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to our members and customers.
Where does this say access??
Further the terms stated on my card state --
Membership card and valid ID must be presented....
Since the terms have changed, should United be forced to send out new cards to all lifetime members??
You are not an old time flier.. These are Clubs,, Red Carpet, Clipper Club. There was no TSA back then, no security check point. I used to work at the airport (JFK) and go after work. Used to hold up there when meeting VIP visitors... My Delta card dates back to Pan Am in 1980 when I was offered it for $300. They threw in a free domestic ticket which made it zero cost
Nov 7, 2019, 10:01 am
#700
Join Date: Feb 2015
Programs: united
Posts: 1,636
But I definitely think anyone who feels they are harmed should consult a lawyer for legal advice. I am just opining here.
It doesn't. That's why there are 700 posts on a topic that probably affects far fewer than 700 Flyertalks.
I stand by my argument that when one buys a lifetime membership to any form of club or organization that requires membership for admittance, no retroactive modifications of such terms and conditions would legally (and especially morally) enable the business to deny admittance to a lifetime member who purchased such right for any reason (other than safety and security or violations/breach of the club rules, of course).
A court may disagree, but I don't think that there is any arguing that what United is doing is not morally sound by any stretch of the imagination. I am still hoping that somebody upstairs will recognize that doing the right thing is a fundamental principle of corporate responsibility.
I have spent more time reading and posting in this thread than I ever expect to spend in UC's on non-*A tickets in my lifetime (assuming UA grants the exemption). It's all about the principle.
I stand by my argument that when one buys a lifetime membership to any form of club or organization that requires membership for admittance, no retroactive modifications of such terms and conditions would legally (and especially morally) enable the business to deny admittance to a lifetime member who purchased such right for any reason (other than safety and security or violations/breach of the club rules, of course).
A court may disagree, but I don't think that there is any arguing that what United is doing is not morally sound by any stretch of the imagination. I am still hoping that somebody upstairs will recognize that doing the right thing is a fundamental principle of corporate responsibility.
I have spent more time reading and posting in this thread than I ever expect to spend in UC's on non-*A tickets in my lifetime (assuming UA grants the exemption). It's all about the principle.
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Nov 7, 2019, 10:21 am
#701
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Nov 7, 2019, 11:43 am
#702
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I'm a lawyer. My view is that you are unlikely to win a contract claim, but someone who was induced to purchase by an actual representation by the airline that you would be able to use this when flying a competitor has a potential fraud claim. I also think the remedy is damages- you won't get an injunction ordering UA to let you use the club.
But I definitely think anyone who feels they are harmed should consult a lawyer for legal advice. I am just opining here.
But I definitely think anyone who feels they are harmed should consult a lawyer for legal advice. I am just opining here.
Nov 7, 2019, 11:58 am
#703
Moderator: Southwest Airlines, Capital One
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: California
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Posts: 21,619
Unless I missed one, all the pro-UA arguments here, if accepted by courts, would have allowed united to ban entry for annual members in the middle of their paid term. So: Why did United feel he need to give a year’s advance notice to hem?
Nov 7, 2019, 12:02 pm
#704
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Probably tied to Chase Club cards. United is probably free to change terms on memberships it sells at any time but wants to avoid changing terms to memberships provided through Chase via annual card fee during current period. Gives Chase card holders option to renew or not. If Chase wasn't involved, UA might have provided much shorter notice.
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