Nov 2, 2019, 11:43 pm
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So, is anything happening with this? Just curious (Oct 3, 2019)
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Related thread: Club member/one-time pass access changes Nov 1, 2019 (same day BP on UA or partner) Original thread -- focused on the basic access issue, most lifetime membership posts have been moved to this lifetime thread
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Related thread: Club member/one-time pass access changes Nov 1, 2019 (same day BP on UA or partner) Original thread -- focused on the basic access issue, most lifetime membership posts have been moved to this lifetime thread
Lifetime Member Edition: UC access changes Nov 1, 2019 (same day BP on UA or partner)
Nov 4, 2018, 6:49 am
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This simply aligns with DL and AA, the other legacy carriers. One would have thought that for all the whining about overcrowding, this is the best way to thin the herd in the UC's.
From a business perspective, the UC is part of a package to keep passengers loyal, not a stand-alone service such as any airport restaurant.
Those who threaten class actions will learn very quickly that they are throwing good money after bad chasing t&c changes. The lawyers who take these things for a contingency, only take the cases they can win. The ones they can't, you front the fees. When those screaming for court action are asked to pony up $100K or more just to get things going, there may be a substantial quieting. Can't sue because the old President's Club served drinks with four ice cubes and now you only get three.
From a business perspective, the UC is part of a package to keep passengers loyal, not a stand-alone service such as any airport restaurant.
Those who threaten class actions will learn very quickly that they are throwing good money after bad chasing t&c changes. The lawyers who take these things for a contingency, only take the cases they can win. The ones they can't, you front the fees. When those screaming for court action are asked to pony up $100K or more just to get things going, there may be a substantial quieting. Can't sue because the old President's Club served drinks with four ice cubes and now you only get three.
Nov 4, 2018, 6:53 am
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Nov 4, 2018, 8:40 am
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I'm sure there is a long line of attorney's who have nothing better to do than shepherd a class action lawsuit on behalf of lifetime airport lounge members...
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Nov 4, 2018, 8:47 am
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{L}iterally every single aspect of travel, be it airlines or hotels, is going to get worse, not better, with every passing year (or quarter?). The sooner one comes to grips with that and adjusts their plans/expectations, the more rationally they will be able to deal with it.
I'm sure there is a long line of attorney's who have nothing better to do than shepherd a class action lawsuit on behalf of lifetime airport lounge members...
Regards
I'm sure there is a long line of attorney's who have nothing better to do than shepherd a class action lawsuit on behalf of lifetime airport lounge members...
Regards
Same goes for United. They may try to hide behind their deregulation immunity, but my lifetime club purchase had nothing to do with flying. I paid thousands of dollars for a lifetime club membership that was valid even when not flying. This is a clear breach in terms of that sale. Arguing that they have immunity in this case will be to their own detriment.
So no, I don't plan on going away quietly. Even if that's what the airlines, hotels, and {others} would prefer.
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Nov 4, 2018, 8:56 am
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Many moons ago, back in the last century, Continental Presidents Club discontinued it's policy of free booze. Lifetime members were were offered chits for drinks at check in.
Nov 4, 2018, 10:01 am
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Another lifetime UC membership purchaser (for ~$3k irrc) from CO. I understand that renewals and new purchasers can make a decision based on the benefits offered (hence the 1 year notice), but this is certainly not what I signed up for all those years ago. I bought the membership to use the clubs irrespective of which airline I'm flying or (back in the gate pass days) whether I'm flying that day. I didn't make a fuss when they added the same day flight restriction since it wasn't a significant use case for me.
I would join in seeking a carve out from UA or join lawsuit if there is merit. I understand there are probably provisions in T&C noting they can change T&C, but this seems like a pretty big one.
Here are the current weasel clauses. No idea if they existed at the time of my lifetime membership purchase though.
I would join in seeking a carve out from UA or join lawsuit if there is merit. I understand there are probably provisions in T&C noting they can change T&C, but this seems like a pretty big one.
Here are the current weasel clauses. No idea if they existed at the time of my lifetime membership purchase though.
United reserves the right to modify pricing, benefits, services, hours, club locations and reciprocal lounge agreements at any time with or without written notice to its members and customers.
United reserves the right to amend or modify these terms and conditions at any time with or without written notice to its members and customers.
United reserves the right to amend or modify these terms and conditions at any time with or without written notice to its members and customers.
Nov 4, 2018, 10:11 am
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First of all, lifetime members need to write to UA and Oscar expressing their concerns.
Second, we should organize a Wiki of people who paid cold hard cash for lifetime club memberships that would like to join a class action if UA won't carve out an exception for us.
Seems to me that a class action for people who paid cash will have higher odds of success over people who got it as a MM benefit as that is subject to MP rules which can be changed at any time. I don't see why a paid lifetime membership would be subject to any MP rules or to deregulation act immunity.
Second, we should organize a Wiki of people who paid cold hard cash for lifetime club memberships that would like to join a class action if UA won't carve out an exception for us.
Seems to me that a class action for people who paid cash will have higher odds of success over people who got it as a MM benefit as that is subject to MP rules which can be changed at any time. I don't see why a paid lifetime membership would be subject to any MP rules or to deregulation act immunity.
Nov 4, 2018, 10:25 am
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Should we set up a separate thread or private group to organize this? There are a few if FTers who don't agree with the sentiment, so it seems better to stay out of each other's way. ctownflyer are you volunteering to organize if folks PM you?
First of all, lifetime members need to write to UA and Oscar expressing their concerns.
Second, we should organize a Wiki of people who paid cold hard cash for lifetime club memberships that would like to join a class action if UA won't carve out an exception for us.
Seems to me that a class action for people who paid cash will have higher odds of success over people who got it as a MM benefit as that is subject to MP rules which can be changed at any time. I don't see why a paid lifetime membership would be subject to any MP rules or to deregulation act immunity.
Second, we should organize a Wiki of people who paid cold hard cash for lifetime club memberships that would like to join a class action if UA won't carve out an exception for us.
Seems to me that a class action for people who paid cash will have higher odds of success over people who got it as a MM benefit as that is subject to MP rules which can be changed at any time. I don't see why a paid lifetime membership would be subject to any MP rules or to deregulation act immunity.
Nov 4, 2018, 10:36 am
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Either way, I hope everyone writes in and tries to get this settled without needing to resort to the legal system.
Nov 4, 2018, 11:05 am
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Added the option in the Wiki under a separate section.
I just think that based on the MM RPU lawsuit, that if you got a club membership from being a MM you won't have a leg to stand on as that is a benefit of MP and MP can do whatever they want, regardless of MP promises.
I just think that based on the MM RPU lawsuit, that if you got a club membership from being a MM you won't have a leg to stand on as that is a benefit of MP and MP can do whatever they want, regardless of MP promises.
Nov 4, 2018, 11:07 am
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I'd like to see where it guarenteed a LT membership without airline restrictions. AFAIK they can claim you still have a LT membership and that airline restrictions fall under house rules that can be changed.
Nov 4, 2018, 11:41 am
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Added the option in the Wiki under a separate section.
I just think that based on the MM RPU lawsuit, that if you got a club membership from being a MM you won't have a leg to stand on as that is a benefit of MP and MP can do whatever they want, regardless of MP promises.
I just think that based on the MM RPU lawsuit, that if you got a club membership from being a MM you won't have a leg to stand on as that is a benefit of MP and MP can do whatever they want, regardless of MP promises.
My fear is the weasels will prevail. But fully support the discovery and getting the ball rolling.
Nov 5, 2018, 8:30 am
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{L}iterally every single aspect of travel, be it airlines or hotels, is going to get worse, not better, with every passing year (or quarter?). The sooner one comes to grips with that and adjusts their plans/expectations, the more rationally they will be able to deal with it.
I'm sure there is a long line of attorney's who have nothing better to do than shepherd a class action lawsuit on behalf of lifetime airport lounge members...
Regards
I'm sure there is a long line of attorney's who have nothing better to do than shepherd a class action lawsuit on behalf of lifetime airport lounge members...
Regards
2. Convenient scheduling.
3. Route network.
4. Fares (Below 1984 levels adjusted for inflation).
If the size of the pretzel bag is more important than the fact that one can now fly nonstop and more safely between cities which used to require refueling or a connection, things are worse.