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Earning Status (PQP) on non-016 Tickets and Partner Metal

Earning Status (PQP) on non-016 Tickets and Partner Metal

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Partner Earning

Beginning in 2020, if you fly a partner airline (not UA metal) and your ticket is on the stock of another airline (not 016 ticket), you will earn PQP as a fraction of the distance flown. That fraction is determined by your fare class, and can be found in the tables below.
The way to derive this fraction is to go to the United earnings page for your airline and determine the RDM (not PQM) earning rate for your fare class. Then divide this number by 5 for "preferred partners" and 6 otherwise.
If the fare class of a non-016 *A partner flight allows RDM earnings (and therefore PQDs), the flight also earns Premier Qualifying Flight (PQF) credit.

Preferred Partner Airlines: AC AD AV CA CM EW LH LX NH NZ OS SN
Other Partner Airlines (status earning): A3 AI BR ET EN HO LO MS OA OU OZ SA SK SQ TG TK TP WK ZH
Other Partner Airlines (NO Premier credit): 3M 4B 9K EI HA UK VW

Note that for the third category you will earn RDM but no PQP, regardless of ticket stock (this is no change from before when you would not earn PQM).

For flights on or after July 1, 2020, the maximum Premier qualifying points that can be earned per flight {segment} on tickets issued and operated by Star Alliance partners and select MileagePlus partner airlines are as follows:

MileagePlus members who purchased tickets on eligible partners prior to these new rules may submit receipts showing tickets were issued prior to April 29, 2020, to [email protected] with the subject line "OA PQP Review" to be considered for PQP earning under the prior rules. Receipts should not be submitted until after travel is completed for flights on or after July 1, 2020.
UA Capping PQP Earn with Partners (update -- per flight segment)

Frequently Asked Questions
What if I fly a United-operated segment on a non-United ticket? You will earn PQP equal to the portion of the fare assignable to that segment. This information is transmitted from the ticketing carrier to United, and will be a somewhat arbitrary number between 0 and the full value of the fare component which includes that segment**. (This is the same as earning PQD on such a segment today.)

**Many reports of this not working even this well, and the potential number being outside this range.

What about codeshare segments? As before, codeshares do not matter. Only the operating carrier (metal) of each segment and the stock of the ticket determine your earnings.

How do I get a non-016 ticket? Any ticket purchased directly from another airline will be a partner-issued ticket, even if it has United segments. (Any ticket purchased from United will be an 016 ticket, even if it has no United segments.) Tickets purchased from an agency will usually have a stock of the marketing carrier of the most significant segment ("first long segment" usually).

What's the trick here? Because PQP are earned as a fraction of the distance flown, flying long distances on low-priced fares can earn more PQP than dollars spent. For any given journey, you should consider where you are earning a favorable ratio of PQP to dollars of at least 1.0 when ticketing this way, and consider ticketing with United if you are not.

What about BULK fares? Bulk fares will also earn PQP by distance, as noted in the table below. This is the only way to earn by distance on United metal.


Earnings Tables
Last updated in the image on 19-Oct-19.

Note that values >= 20% are rounded to the nearest 1%, and smaller values are rounded to the nearest 0.1%. If precise calculations are needed, you should always use the original source material (United website).

Star Alliance Airlines
Warning: It is strongly recommended that you consult the United earnings page for your airline and confirm the earning rate here, as they have been to known to change without notice and apply retroactively to tickets purchased before the change.
Note: There are special rules for AC branded Economy fares on 014 tickets.
GREEN background is a "preferred" partner.


Other Partner Airlines (not Star Alliance)
Warning: It is strongly recommended that you consult the United earnings page for your airline and confirm the earning rate here, as they have been to known to change without notice and apply retroactively to tickets purchased before the change.
GREEN background is a "preferred" partner.

Updated PQP calculator with new per-segment earning cap
Originally Posted by kevflyer View Post
I created a updated version of the PQP calculator to handle the upcoming per segment PQP earning limits. It also calculates RDM:
https://pqp.economiles.com/


More Information on earning PQP and PQF
Earning PQP on flights ticketed and operated by a Star Alliance Partner
Members can also earn Premier qualifying points on tickets issued and operated by Star Alliance partners and select MileagePlus partner airlines. Your PQP will be equal to award miles earned divided by 5 if youre flying on a preferred partner; for other MileagePlus partner airlines, it will be award miles earned divided by 6.

Please note award miles is your base award miles earning plus your fare class bonus award miles earning, if eligible. Premier bonus miles earned are not included within this calculation and are ineligible for Premier qualifying points accrual.

For Star Alliance airlines as well as Air Dolomiti, Azul, Eurowings, Edelweiss, and Olympic:

Preferred partner PQP: Award miles divided by 5

MileagePlus partner PQP: Award miles divided by 6

For example, if you earned 360 award miles for your flight, youll receive 72 PQP if you flew with a preferred partner, and 60 PQP if you flew with a MileagePlus partner.

PQP Calculator with option to apply max PQP per flight:
https://pqp.economiles.com/

For flights on or after July 1, 2020, the maximum Premier qualifying points that can be earned per flight on tickets issued and operated by Star Alliance partners and select MileagePlus partner airlines are as follows:

MileagePlus members who purchased tickets on eligible partners prior to these new rules may submit receipts showing tickets were issued prior to April 29, 2020, to [email protected] with the subject line "OA PQP Review" to be considered for PQP earning under the prior rules. Receipts should not be submitted until after travel is completed for flights on or after July 1, 2020.


For more information on PQP accrual for a specific airline, visit our airline partner pages.




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Old Apr 28, 20, 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by jsloan View Post
They saw it. They didn't care. They might still not care if it weren't for the lower requirements (although they're saying that they're not planning to rethink).
This has nothing to do with lower requirements or COVID. This was an oversight when they made the rules that they have fixed.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by ctownflyer View Post
This has nothing to do with lower requirements or COVID. This was an oversight when they made the rules that they have fixed.
I don't buy it. This was obvious from the first minute it was announced, and even if you somehow didn't pay attention to the blog posts on taking advantage of the programs that you aped, the analysis was all over the internet within days. This could have been nipped in the bud at that point. They didn't care.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by jsloan View Post
This isn't some amazing loophole that only savvy FTers would see. They copied DL's MQD allocation scheme. DL and AA both have exactly these same "loopholes" for discount business class fares on parter airlines. Those airlines have decided that few enough people take advantage of them for it to matter.
Exactly. And of course you only hear about the cherry picked examples to support the existence of this loophole.

But Ive also seen plenty of $3-6k P/Z-fares US-Europe/Asia on *A partners. Not much of a loophole then.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Leedsflyer View Post
Main reasons I like MP:

- No YQ on redemptions (all the EU programmes I've looked at have pretty hefty YQ)
- last minute cancellations on award tickets (even for free if Plat or 1K)
- GPUs/Plus Points as a 1K -- I've had a very good redemption ratio on these, and the big plus is that I can use them on LH, not just UA (also potentially on ANA, but rarely fly them)
- 1K and Plat give GPUs/PP every year, whereas M&M only every other year, and only 1 longhaul upgrade.
- When I do fly to North America, good service, and irrops treatment.

Clearly there is no such thing as a perfectly fair programme, I agree. I was just saying that it's become much less attractive for me, and I guess most other non NA-based travellers, unless their main destination is NA and can thus fly UA easily.
With UA likely coming out of COVID-19 as a much smaller airline, I'm not sure what the incentive is to continue with UAMP. Maybe they crunched their numbers and concluded that foreign based members are too small to care about. Therefore they are expendable.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 5:38 pm
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Originally Posted by ctownflyer View Post
This has nothing to do with lower requirements or COVID. This was an oversight when they made the rules that they have fixed.
I'd have to disagree. The change coincides with the reduced qualifications requirements (which was a result of COVID-reduced travel). I think they knew exactly what they were offering and had thought it though. The unanticipated situation has caused them to adjust, not correct.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:00 pm
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Originally Posted by mduell View Post
PQD didn't strictly follow fare construction, and no reason to think PQP will be any different.
That is completely right, I shouldn't post early in the morning before waking up. So in summary, using the existing PQP calculator tool and just shaving excess PQP over 1,500 per segment off the result, will yield the real total - which depending on the trip routing shouldn't be that horrible of a change
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH View Post
I'd have to disagree. The change coincides with the reduced qualifications requirements (which was a result of COVID-reduced travel). I think they knew exactly what they were offering and had thought it though. The unanticipated situation has caused them to adjust, not correct.
Then why isn't this change just for 2020?

UA overlooked AC P fares. It never made sense that a $2,700 YYZ-TLV AC P class ticket earned 4,631 PQPs vs 2,650 PQPs if the flight was on UA metal. This fixes that oversight.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:13 pm
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Originally Posted by ctownflyer View Post
UA overlooked AC P fares. It never made sense that a $2,700 YYZ-TLV AC P class ticket earned 4,631 PQPs vs 2,650 PQPs if the flight was on UA metal. This fixes that oversight.
There are so many things about airfare that "never made sense" that this doesn't even make the top 50.

If they were only interested in fixing that, they'd have just reduced the multiplier for AC P fares. I promise, they had the entire table in front of them when they made the original decisions. Nobody was caught off guard.

Again, this is the very same thing that DL and AA have been doing for multiple years.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:14 pm
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Not sure why so many are surprised. Every major decision UA has made over the past 5 years has fallen into 7 core buckets:

1. Expand int'l profitably: AMS, DEL, BOM, SIN, TLV, PPT, CPT, and JVs
2. Covert MP to a ~10% 'cash-back' program: Miles to $, int'l waiver, new cap
3. Narrow the hard-product gap: Polaris, lounges, overhead bins
4. Increase fleet efficiency to reduce costs: 747, 78X, MAX
5. Leverage IT to reduce costs: App, website, RMS
6. Increase revenue sources: baggage, credit cards
7. Fight LCCs: Basic economy, fees

This new cap falls squarely into bucket #2 .

I'd expect more adjustments in bucket #2 as it's still not where it needs to be.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by ctownflyer View Post
Then why isn't this change just for 2020?

UA overlooked AC P fares. It never made sense that a $2,700 YYZ-TLV AC P class ticket earned 4,631 PQPs vs 2,650 PQPs if the flight was on UA metal. This fixes that oversight.
That's not even the most egregious. I had a $600 PE ticket on NH which would have earned something like 7 times in PQP.

That said, I don't buy the oversight argument. UA designated what each level/ticket is supposed to earn.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:35 pm
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Originally Posted by ctownflyer View Post
Then why isn't this change just for 2020?

UA overlooked AC P fares. It never made sense that a $2,700 YYZ-TLV AC P class ticket earned 4,631 PQPs vs 2,650 PQPs if the flight was on UA metal. This fixes that oversight.
For every one of these, there's a $5,200 YYZ-LHR AC P class ticket. Does it make sense that it only earns 2,800 PQPs vs. 5,000 PQPs if on UA?
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:46 pm
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This must be devastating to the 7 passengers actually materially impacted by it.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 6:54 pm
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This must be devastating to the 7 passengers actually materially impacted by it.
My six friends and I thank you for your concern.
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Old Apr 28, 20, 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by atword View Post
My six friends and I thank you for your concern.
lol!
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Old Apr 28, 20, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by econ View Post
For every one of these, there's a $5,200 YYZ-LHR AC P class ticket. Does it make sense that it only earns 2,800 PQPs vs. 5,000 PQPs if on UA?
Of course that makes sense. UA wants you on UA. Especially if you're a big spender.
Why would they want to push members to other airlines?
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