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Old Dec 16, 2019, 4:11 pm
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Originally Posted by STS-134
I don't know exactly how the FICO algorithm works, but I highly doubt canceling my MPE is going to even move the needle that much. My usage on average, after canceling the MPE, would go from < 10% to < 10%, and I'm not sure if the algorithm even differentiates between such small changes. If it does, it's likely a few points, and why would I care about that when everything about about 740-760 is the same to lenders anyway? That's definitely NOT a good reason to keep paying an annual fee on a crappy card that you won't use.
Yes for sure in your situation. But say you had only three cards, each with a $15K limit. Cancelling one card can have a huge impact depending on the balances you carry on the other two (or will carry, now that there is one less card). Everyone has their own situation, and their own credit score needs. It's just something to be aware of.
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Old Dec 16, 2019, 5:08 pm
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Some general comments:
  1. The fine print on many signup bonuses (e.g. 60,000 miles after $4k spend) says that one cannot have canceled a card in the same family recently. If you're moving to a new card, wait until the signup bonus is in your possession.
  2. While many cards won't refund the annual fee after 30 days, they will prorate the fee dropping to a less expensive card in the same family. I for example gave up my American Express Platinum card. Only when it appeared that they'd otherwise lost me did they volunteer that I could downgrade to Green, recouping most of my annual fee and parking my points till I needed them.
  3. I like The Points Guy for a survey of credit card options. However, nearly every link leads directly to an application, not to their in-depth review of that card. It's like they're asking for sex fifteen minutes into the first date. If this annoys you too, please let them know. It's otherwise a useful site.
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Old Dec 16, 2019, 9:36 pm
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Originally Posted by IntFF
I think I saw somewhere that with latest UA move to Dynamic awards, you can book an award flight for less miles IF you have a credit card.
Is this correct? If yes
Perhaps yes, with a Chase MP card you have access to expended saver award inventory. So if regular inventory is gone, then elites and Chase MP primary cardholders may have additional saver economy inventory not available to others. At that point, the elites and Chase MP primary cardholders will have access to saver economy awards requiring fewer miles than the general MP member.
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Old Dec 17, 2019, 12:28 am
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Originally Posted by STS-134
I don't know exactly how the FICO algorithm works, but I highly doubt canceling my MPE is going to even move the needle that much. My usage on average, after canceling the MPE, would go from < 10% to < 10%, and I'm not sure if the algorithm even differentiates between such small changes. If it does, it's likely a few points, and why would I care about that when everything about about 740-760 is the same to lenders anyway? That's definitely NOT a good reason to keep paying an annual fee on a crappy card that you won't use.
My wife and I recently cancelled all of our UA cards and requested a reduction in credit limits on our all of our remaining Chase products to below 20K per card; our FICO scores decreased all of 3 points from 817 to 814.
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Old Dec 17, 2019, 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
My wife and I recently cancelled all of our UA cards
That makes sense if you're not going to be flying UA regularly...

Originally Posted by zombietooth
and requested a reduction in credit limits on our all of our remaining Chase products to below 20K per card
Why the heck would you do that? There's no reason to reduce the CL on any existing card unless the bank requires it to apply for a new card. Available, but unused, credit does not hurt you at all. You never know if a roofing company for example would allow you to charge a new roof and doesn't offer cash discounts so...why not?
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Old Dec 17, 2019, 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by STS-134
That makes sense if you're not going to be flying UA regularly...
Oh, I'll still be flying UA most of the time, but I will be using the CSR so that I don't accumulate too many UA points but, instead will have a fungible travel currency.

Originally Posted by STS-134
Why the heck would you do that? There's no reason to reduce the CL on any existing card unless the bank requires it to apply for a new card. Available, but unused, credit does not hurt you at all. You never know if a roofing company for example would allow you to charge a new roof and doesn't offer cash discounts so...why not?
Simply because we don't need it because I pay off my cards every month.

Funny that you mention a new roof because I actually need one, but the best company in my area doesn't take credit cards without charging a "convenience fee" of 3%. In addition, I just had one of my AC units replaced and it was the same story with them. Cash is still King in many transactions.
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Old Dec 17, 2019, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
Oh, I'll still be flying UA most of the time, but I will be using the CSR so that I don't accumulate too many UA points but, instead will have a fungible travel currency.
Even if you're flying UA, as long as you have *G with some *A carrier, there's no point in having the MPE except for the PQD waiver. Which is why I'm getting rid of mine as soon as the AF comes due and I use the UC passes.


Originally Posted by zombietooth
Simply because we don't need it because I pay off my cards every month.

Funny that you mention a new roof because I actually need one, but the best company in my area doesn't take credit cards without charging a "convenience fee" of 3%. In addition, I just had one of my AC units replaced and it was the same story with them. Cash is still King in many transactions.
I still don't get it. I pay off my cards every month. I don't "need" all of this credit either. But I'd never voluntarily give it up. That serves absolutely no purpose.
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Old May 13, 2020, 6:54 am
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Chase Explorer Miles Clawback?

My first year is almost up, and not eager to pay an annual fee for nothing.

I called to cancel and the woman said "all miles earned on this card will be taken out of the mileage plus account" which sounded very wrong.

RIght now I have almost a zero balance and 4 flights booked, which will most likely have to be canceled. I asked "if I used the miles to book an award flight, then had to cancel, would those miles be taken by Chase?", and she said yes.

I asked where this was written and was told there was nowhere for me to see the info.

No supervisor available due to covid.

Anyone else run into this?

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Old May 13, 2020, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by JapanFlyerT
My first year is almost up, and not eager to pay an annual fee for nothing.

I called to cancel and the woman said "all miles earned on this card will be taken out of the mileage plus account" which sounded very wrong.

RIght now I have almost a zero balance and 4 flights booked, which will most likely have to be canceled. I asked "if I used the miles to book an award flight, then had to cancel, would those miles be taken by Chase?", and she said yes.

I asked where this was written and was told there was nowhere for me to see the info.

No supervisor available due to covid.

Anyone else run into this?
Your miles in your MileagePlus account are safe (they are no longer expiring and Chase isn’t taking them back). Perhaps the agent was not understanding, or they were thinking of miles for charges that have not yet been posted to your UA account? (whenever I cancel a card, I generally avoid building up charges the
last month since they may not post once the account is closed).
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Old May 13, 2020, 5:32 pm
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Originally Posted by notquiteaff
Your miles in your MileagePlus account are safe (they are no longer expiring and Chase isn’t taking them back). Perhaps the agent was not understanding, or they were thinking of miles for charges that have not yet been posted to your UA account? (whenever I cancel a card, I generally avoid building up charges the
last month since they may not post once the account is closed).
That was my assumption, but this agent was insistent on some hidden, unpublished policy that customers did not have access to. Usually, Chase agents are pretty competent, but this must have been an exception. She must have gotten the "current/pending statement miles" earned confused with all miles earned.

Chase responded via secure message, although the person successfully avoids answering my question directly. The way they explain the rewards, I can see how this can be misread by an agent.


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Old May 13, 2020, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by JapanFlyerT
That was my assumption, but this agent was insistent on some hidden, unpublished policy that customers did not have access to. Usually, Chase agents are pretty competent, but this must have been an exception. She must have gotten the "current/pending statement miles" earned confused with all miles earned.
Also, in some cases, sign-up bonus miles can be clawed back.
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Old May 14, 2020, 1:27 pm
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Question Advice please: Cancel or downgrade Chase UA Club Card?

Medical issues grounded me from flying in 2019, period. Did not requalify for UA Gold. Don't expect that we will be able to travel enough in the remaining months of 2020 to qualify for 2021 at this point.
Hold a Chase UA Club Card. The renewal is on my current statement.

Should I cancel the card completely?
Should I downgrade the card to something other than UA Club? If so, which one.

I've been told I should have requested an extension of status from UA MileagePlus when I wasn't going to requalify at the end of 2019 and I suppose it's probably too late to do that.
Or is it?
Would UA MileagePlus grant an extension of status to a 20 year Gold member who had a legitimate medical grounding?

Advice is much appreciated.
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Old May 29, 2020, 7:34 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Also, in some cases, sign-up bonus miles can be clawed back.
I have read that clawback happen, but it seems vague as to when. As it has been a full year I don't think that is what they were talking about.
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Old Jul 4, 2020, 1:25 pm
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I was hoping to downgrade my (yeah, I know, I know, I should have cancelled it a while ago) old MileagePlus Signature Visa because the annual fee is up August 1. Asked about downgrading to a Chase Freedom Unlimited (figuring my MM/*G status would still give me access to "extra" award space such as it is) and was told no. Asked about a retention one year fee waiver and was told no. However, was told I could switch to "United MileagePlus Rewards" card which has no fee. But I don't see it on the Chase website. I only care because I've had the card 25 years (yikes!) and am thinking about a refi so am concerned about dropping my oldest card.

Can someone point me to the card they might mean? Thanks
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Old Jul 4, 2020, 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by abaheti
I was hoping to downgrade my (yeah, I know, I know, I should have cancelled it a while ago) old MileagePlus Signature Visa because the annual fee is up August 1. Asked about downgrading to a Chase Freedom Unlimited (figuring my MM/*G status would still give me access to "extra" award space such as it is) and was told no. Asked about a retention one year fee waiver and was told no. However, was told I could switch to "United MileagePlus Rewards" card which has no fee. But I don't see it on the Chase website. I only care because I've had the card 25 years (yikes!) and am thinking about a refi so am concerned about dropping my oldest card.

Can someone point me to the card they might mean? Thanks
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It's a great option to keep the card on the credit report long term without paying annual fees.
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