Oct 11, 2019, 5:20 am
Last edit by: SPN Lifer
tl;dr - PQMs/PQDs/PQS going away, replaced with PQPs. $1 = 1 PQP. See chart below for thresholds:
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New Status Measures
Premier Qualifying Points (PQP): Basically the same as PQD. Everything that was a PQD continues to count, plus:
Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF): Same as BIS segments (no class of service bonus) except Basic Economy and award tickets don't count.
PQP Earning on Partners
You can now earn PQP on non-016 tickets when flying eligible partners.
"Preferred" Partners (mostly JV partners): 1/5 of the RDM earned, excluding status bonuses (but including fare class) on AC AD AV CA CM EW LH LX NH NZ OS SN.
Others: 1/6 of the RDM earned, excluding status bonuses (but including fare class) on other airlines with MP earnings available.
Note: Because all partners earn RDM by distance when not on an 016-ticket, this effectively awards PQP by distance, from 40% in many JV First and Business cabins to 5% in things like LX K.
Preferred partners:
Bulk Tickets
Per UA Insider in this post: Yes you will now earn PQP on bulk tickets but not necessarily for the cash value since the price of the ticket is opaque. Bulk tickets will be equal to the award miles you earn for the ticket (excluding Premier bonus miles, if any) divided by 5.
Foreign Addresses
The PQD waiver for foreign MP addresses will no longer apply beginning in 2020.
Credit Card Holders
The PQD waivers and PQM earnings from all Chase cards are ending. Instead, Chase cards allow you to earn 500 PQP for every $12,000 of eligible spend, but only up to the following limits:
1,000 PQP / $24,000: MP Explorer, MP Club, MP Awards, and MP cards, plus their business equivalents (bonus PQP do not count for 1K)
3,000 PQP / $72,000: MP Select and MP Platinum cards
10,000 PQP / $240,000: Presidential Plus and PP Business cards
Existing Flexible PQM (FPQM) on eligible cards will become FPQP at a 5:1 ratio on 01-Apr-20 and will only be applicable through Platinum status.
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New Status Measures
Premier Qualifying Points (PQP): Basically the same as PQD. Everything that was a PQD continues to count, plus:
- Copay component of miles+copay upgrades
- Paid upgrades (TOD or "sticker-type")
- Travel on partner airlines on partner stock (awarded as a fraction of the distance, similar to DL)
Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF): Same as BIS segments (no class of service bonus) except Basic Economy and award tickets don't count.
PQP Earning on Partners
You can now earn PQP on non-016 tickets when flying eligible partners.
"Preferred" Partners (mostly JV partners): 1/5 of the RDM earned, excluding status bonuses (but including fare class) on AC AD AV CA CM EW LH LX NH NZ OS SN.
Others: 1/6 of the RDM earned, excluding status bonuses (but including fare class) on other airlines with MP earnings available.
Note: Because all partners earn RDM by distance when not on an 016-ticket, this effectively awards PQP by distance, from 40% in many JV First and Business cabins to 5% in things like LX K.
Preferred partners:
- Air Canada
- Air China
- Air New Zealand
- All Nippon Airways
- Austrian Airlines
- Avianca
- Azul Brazilian Airlines
- Brussels Airlines
- Copa Airlines
- Eurowings
- Lufthansa
- SWISS International Airlines
- Aegean Airlines
- Air Dolomiti
- Air India
- Asiana Airlines
- Croatia Airlines
- Edelweiss
- EgyptAir
- Ethiopian Airlines
- EVA Air
- Juneyao Air
- LOT Polish Airlines
- Olympic Air
- SAS
- Shenzhen Airlines
- Singapore Airlines
- South African Airways
- TAP Air Portugal
- Thai Airways International
- Turkish Airlines
Bulk Tickets
Per UA Insider in this post: Yes you will now earn PQP on bulk tickets but not necessarily for the cash value since the price of the ticket is opaque. Bulk tickets will be equal to the award miles you earn for the ticket (excluding Premier bonus miles, if any) divided by 5.
Foreign Addresses
The PQD waiver for foreign MP addresses will no longer apply beginning in 2020.
Credit Card Holders
The PQD waivers and PQM earnings from all Chase cards are ending. Instead, Chase cards allow you to earn 500 PQP for every $12,000 of eligible spend, but only up to the following limits:
1,000 PQP / $24,000: MP Explorer, MP Club, MP Awards, and MP cards, plus their business equivalents (bonus PQP do not count for 1K)
3,000 PQP / $72,000: MP Select and MP Platinum cards
10,000 PQP / $240,000: Presidential Plus and PP Business cards
Existing Flexible PQM (FPQM) on eligible cards will become FPQP at a 5:1 ratio on 01-Apr-20 and will only be applicable through Platinum status.
United is updating the way MileagePlus members qualify for Premier status in 2020 for the 2021 program year. We recognized that distance was not the best way for us to measure customer loyalty, which is why we are introducing a new qualification structure to better deliver Premier benefits to our most valued customers. In 2020, members will only need to account for two factors to earn status: number of flights taken (Premier Qualifying Flights) and value of tickets purchased (Premier Qualifying Points).
Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF): every flight, a takeoff and landing, will count as a PQF except Basic Economy and tickets booked using miles.
Premier Qualifying Points (PQP): 1 PQP = 1 U.S. dollar spent. You will earn PQPs on the base fare of your ticket (no taxes and fees), Economy Plus and Preferred seat purchases, and now on paid upgrades, MileagePlus upgrade award co-pays and credit for Star Alliance partner flights not ticketed or operated by United.
Qualification requirements for 2020
Here’s how members will qualify for each Premier status level starting January 1, 2020 for status in the 2021 program year:
United Cardmembers who are eligible for a PQD waiver, PQM, or Flexible PQM (FPQM) based on annual card spend will be offered new ways to earn Premier qualifying points (PQP) based on annual card spend. The ability to earn a PQD waiver, PQM, or FPQM on these cards will end on December 31, 2019.
Learn more: https://mileageplusupdates.com/milea...qualification/
Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF): every flight, a takeoff and landing, will count as a PQF except Basic Economy and tickets booked using miles.
Premier Qualifying Points (PQP): 1 PQP = 1 U.S. dollar spent. You will earn PQPs on the base fare of your ticket (no taxes and fees), Economy Plus and Preferred seat purchases, and now on paid upgrades, MileagePlus upgrade award co-pays and credit for Star Alliance partner flights not ticketed or operated by United.
Qualification requirements for 2020
Here’s how members will qualify for each Premier status level starting January 1, 2020 for status in the 2021 program year:
United Cardmembers who are eligible for a PQD waiver, PQM, or Flexible PQM (FPQM) based on annual card spend will be offered new ways to earn Premier qualifying points (PQP) based on annual card spend. The ability to earn a PQD waiver, PQM, or FPQM on these cards will end on December 31, 2019.
Learn more: https://mileageplusupdates.com/milea...qualification/
New Premier Qualification Requirements for 2020: Only Spend or Spend + Flight Sectors
Oct 10, 2019, 11:42 pm
#1
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New Premier Qualification Requirements for 2020: Only Spend or Spend + Flight Sectors
Looks like PQP in place of PQD and PQF in place of revised PQS, and PQM no longer be a requirement.
Premier 1K = 54 PQF and 18,000 PQP or 24,000 PQP only ！！
https://mileageplusupdates.com/milea...qualification/
Premier 1K = 54 PQF and 18,000 PQP or 24,000 PQP only ！！
https://mileageplusupdates.com/milea...qualification/
Last edited by J.Edward; Oct 11, 2019 at 5:10 am Reason: Update title
Oct 10, 2019, 11:43 pm
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Significantly Higher Spend and Segment Requirements for 2020 Qualification
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fvlN-m...ature=youtu.be
This is huge. Requirements going up across the board, but you can make it on spend only...
1K = Flat $24K spend , or 54 flown segments + $18,000
Plat = Flat $15K spend, or 36 segments + $12,000
Gold = Flat $10K spend, or 24 segments +$10,000
Silver= Flat $5K spend, or 12 segments + $4000
Distance no longer means anything!
It does appear fees and upgrades count towards your spend...And no fare class bonus for segments. That’s 54 butt in seat segments for 1K.
Yikes...Scary times many of us will see ahead!
This is huge. Requirements going up across the board, but you can make it on spend only...
1K = Flat $24K spend , or 54 flown segments + $18,000
Plat = Flat $15K spend, or 36 segments + $12,000
Gold = Flat $10K spend, or 24 segments +$10,000
Silver= Flat $5K spend, or 12 segments + $4000
Distance no longer means anything!
It does appear fees and upgrades count towards your spend...And no fare class bonus for segments. That’s 54 butt in seat segments for 1K.
Yikes...Scary times many of us will see ahead!
Last edited by MBS MillionMiler; Oct 10, 2019 at 11:50 pm
Oct 10, 2019, 11:47 pm
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Interesting that they allows flights and spend ticketed (and operated) on partner carriers to count towards PQP...
Oct 10, 2019, 11:53 pm
#4
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Game over for foreign based MP members. Changes on a Friday are always bad.
Oct 11, 2019, 12:02 am
#5
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This will cut 1K population by half.
For international flyers, 54 PQF is very tough to get. So 18000 PQP isn't enough.
Basically you need to spend $24000 base fares to make 1K.
For international flyers, 54 PQF is very tough to get. So 18000 PQP isn't enough.
Basically you need to spend $24000 base fares to make 1K.
Oct 11, 2019, 12:03 am
#6
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Interesting perverse incentive here--PQP for paying for E+, but UA G and higher don't pay for E+...making it harder for existing loyal customers to earn loyalty tiers.
Oct 11, 2019, 12:03 am
#7
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So the short answer is "Yes for 1K?"
However, there is no value added for being 1K...
Last edited by thinthin; Oct 11, 2019 at 12:04 am Reason: typo
Oct 11, 2019, 12:04 am
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For example, if you earned 360 award miles for your flight, you’ll receive 72 PQP if you flew with a preferred partner, and 60 PQP if you flew with a MileagePlus partner.
You’ll earn PQF on partner airlines as well, except when flying on light fares, basic fares, and award tickets.
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Mileage, or distance flown, will no longer factor into qualification for Premier status. However, our Million Miler program, which awards lifetime status to our longest-tenured fliers, is still based on lifetime miles flown.
Are you trying to reduce the number of members in the Premier program?
We expect the total Premier population to grow based on these changes, as we want the program to recognize all of our loyal members. The new program will benefit many members who are limited by the current requirements, such as those who spend more on domestic travel but aren’t meeting the distance or high segment requirements. While Premier status will be accessible to more members overall, members will have to do more to reach 1K status, which will help us preserve the value of the benefits members earn at that level
Last edited by paperwastage; Oct 11, 2019 at 12:10 am
Oct 11, 2019, 12:05 am
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There better be something good of value in there for legacy Platinum/Signature Visa cardholders that got 5000 PQMs from ticket purchases and another 5000 at hitting $30K in spend. Since no more PQMs, how does this work now?
Color me scared, after 15 years of non-stop 1K, this might be winding down for me. Huge benefit for segment flyers, but not for those that hit long-haul 2-3 times a year, even if they’re on mid-range $5000 tickets. That’s a lot of segments or another $9-$10K in spending.
Color me scared, after 15 years of non-stop 1K, this might be winding down for me. Huge benefit for segment flyers, but not for those that hit long-haul 2-3 times a year, even if they’re on mid-range $5000 tickets. That’s a lot of segments or another $9-$10K in spending.
Oct 11, 2019, 12:07 am
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This is posted on MileagePlus updates website: https://mileageplusupdates.com/milea...qualification/
And I completely agree - this is bogus for high level elites. We don't pay for the extras that now count towards PQP. So 1Ks will need to shell out $18K (with 54 "flights") or $24K without. BTW, $24K is double what the 1K spend used to be until this year.
There better be some really awesome perks coming for 1K and they are hopefully announced soon or I'll very quickly decide not to even try to attain that status any longer. At least I have *G locked up through 1MM.
-RM
And I completely agree - this is bogus for high level elites. We don't pay for the extras that now count towards PQP. So 1Ks will need to shell out $18K (with 54 "flights") or $24K without. BTW, $24K is double what the 1K spend used to be until this year.
There better be some really awesome perks coming for 1K and they are hopefully announced soon or I'll very quickly decide not to even try to attain that status any longer. At least I have *G locked up through 1MM.
-RM
Last edited by RobOnLI; Oct 11, 2019 at 12:13 am
Oct 11, 2019, 12:07 am
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Looks like I was a minute late to the party. Mods, please merge.
Oct 11, 2019, 12:08 am
#12
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The end...
Oct 11, 2019, 12:10 am
#13
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The change in incremental plus points also seems rough. An additional 20 per 3000PQP strikes me as much stingier. (Not that it’ll effect me, this will mark the end of my days as a 1K)
Oct 11, 2019, 12:11 am
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Bye bye United.
Oct 11, 2019, 12:12 am
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