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Consolidated UA PlusPoints Question & Answer Thread

Old Sep 24, 19, 8:33 am
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Starting on December 4, 2019 all existing and future upgrade instruments (RPU and GPU) will be changed into PlusPoints. There will be a straight equivalence: each RPU is 20 points and each GPU is 40 points. There will be no actual changes to the earning rates or expiration dates for Premiers, including Million Milers and bonus instruments (now points) for multiples of 25,000 PQM beyond the 1K requirements.

More from United: Upgrade Types: PlusPoints

Earning Rates
Premier Platinum: 40 points
Premier 1K: 320 points (includes the 40 points earned for reaching Platinum)
Premier 1K in 2019, earned for every 25,000 PQM beyond the 100,000-mile minimum (or every 30 PQS in excess of 120): 40 points
Premier 1K in 2020, earned for every 3,000 PQP beyond the 18,000 PQP minimum: 20 points

Upgrade Options
Short-haul flights (all non-Polaris marketed flights), Economy (all fare classes) to Premium Plus, Business, or First: 20 points
Short-haul flights, Premium Plus to Business or First: 10 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (all fare classes) to Premium Plus: 20 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, or W class) to Polaris: 40 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (S, T, L, K, or G class) to Polaris: 80 points
Long-haul flights, Premium Plus (all fare classes) to Polaris: 30 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, or W class) or Premium Plus (all classes) to Polaris ("skip the waitlist"): ?? points (must be Premier 1K or GS and 30+ days in advance, expected to be a dynamic price, details still TBA)
Economy or Premium Economy to Business, or Business to First on LH, NH, or CM: 40 points

Basic Economy (fare class N and -LGT TATL fares in N/S/T/L/K/G classes as of current writing) tickets are never eligible for any upgrade of any kind.


Changes from Current Program

Generally speaking, all current uses of RPUs and GPUs will be the same as before (same inventory requirements, costs, and procedures) except that 20 or 40 points will be used instead of an RPU or GPU. However, there are some additional options and prices:
  • A short-haul (formerly RPU-eligible) upgrade is now 20 points (always) -- there is no concept of using a GPU on a domestic route since there is no concept of a GPU as a distinct instrument. So a 1K could choose to effectively use all 320 points for 16 RPUs.
  • BOG, UIO, HNL-GUM, and HNL-MAJ are now effectively RPU-eligible and require only 20 points.
  • Upgrading from Economy to Premium Economy ("Premium Plus") is now 20 points (from any fare class), which is an RPU-equivalent instead of a GPU-equivalent before.
  • Upgrading from Premium Economy to Business ("Premium Plus" to "Polaris") is now 30 points (from any fare class), which is a new price level and less than the GPU-equivalent before.
  • You may upgrade a previously ineligible deep discount Economy fare (classes S, T, L, K, or G) to Polaris for 80 points (2x GPU equivalent). (Upgrading a W or higher Economy fare is still 40 points, as before.)
  • Premier 1K members will have the opportunity to pay additional points to confirm an upgrade even if the requisite class (PZ/PN) is not available via "SkipWaitlist". This carries a 30-day advance requirement, will be available "from time to time", and further details are TBA.
  • Points are not deducted when you list for the upgrade, only when some part of the upgrade clears. You can request an unlimited number of upgrades in parallel, and remaining (uncleared) requests will be canceled if your points are exhausted.
    • E.g., if you waitlist for PZ (or PN) and for RN, and later RN clears from the waitlist, the full total for PZ will be deducted at that time.
  • Changes to how partial clearance of upgrades works. You have two options:
    • List all segments. If at least one segment clears, you will ultimately be charged for the highest single cost among all cleared segments. Thus, you will "spend an RPU" (20 points) if only a domestic connector to a Polaris-marketed segment clears (previously there was no cost).
    • List only the Polaris-marketed segments (or any subset you wish). You can add more segments back in after the Polaris-marketed segment clears - but this will be considered a new upgrade request (and cost extra points).
  • You can no longer cancel and redeposit a confirmed upgrade, even if your fare class is available (or maybe not - see post, which would imply no change here). If still waitlisted, it can be withdrawn. If withdrawn within 24 hrs of flight you will have to call UA to have ticket cancelled and reissued, as withdrawals can no longer be automatically processed within this window. (You can probably still SDC to another flight and back if your fare class is available and get the points back.)
  • No change to
    • Expiration. Instruments expiring 31-Jan-2020 will become points expiring 31-Jan-2020, and ditto for 31-Jan-2021. (UA Insider separated the 2 GPU extension practice from this announcement)
    • Use of instruments on partners (LH, NH, etc). Points will be deducted at application, like before (unlike UA flights which are changing). (Except CM, which will now be billed as a 40-point upgrade per segment.)
    • Pretty much anything else not covered above.
  • PlusPoints upgrades can be requested all the way until the cut-off time to check in for your flight. Previously, UA only accepted new waitlist requests for Global Premier Upgrades and Regional Premier Upgrades up to 24 hours before departure. Waitlists for MileagePlus Upgrade Awards will continue to be accepted until 24 hours before departure.
UA Insider & other relevant post(s) noted below:

Weve heard from MileagePlus Premier members that theyre interested in an upgrade program thats more customizable and with fewer restrictions. Introducing PlusPoints flexible points that can be used for upgrades anywhere we fly. Starting in December, the new program gives MileagePlus Platinum members and above a bank of points that they can use to upgrade on U.S. domestic and international flights where they previously would have used Regional Premier Upgrades (RPUs) and Global Premier Upgrades (GPUs). Complimentary Premier Upgrades wont change, so you will still get free upgrades on select flights when available.


FAQ with UA Insider (direct quotes in "quotes")

Will Global Services members have the same cost structure (in points) as 1K and Platinum? (link)
Yes.

How will the pricing of "Skip Waitlist" work? (link)
It is expected to be dynamic. "Availability and pricing ... will vary based on a number of factors."

Will 1K members still be able to extend 2 GPUs (or 80 PlusPoints) until April 30 of the following year, subject to re-qualification? (link)
Reports now show that you can extend up to 80 points, but only if you've requalified for 1K/GS and those 80 points were previously 2 GPUs. They know the difference and there are mixed reports of success extending former RPU points (but highly unlikely).

Will it still be possible to optionally list for both Premium Plus and Polaris (on an Economy fare)? (link)
"You will still be able to waitlist for both cabins. However, if you only clear into Premium Plus youll ultimately only pay for the highest upgrade you receive which in this example would be Premium Plus (20 PlusPoints). Keep in mind well deduct the full request price, equal to the highest price upgrade requested, whenever any upgrade clears and youll receive any difference in PlusPoints due back to you when landing at your destination."

What happens if only part of your itinerary is upgraded? (link)
You will be charged for the upgrade you received: "If you dont receive the highest-priced PlusPoints upgrade you requested, ... youll be due for a credit ... equal to the difference between the PlusPoints request price and the highest-priced PlusPoints upgrade you received."
You will not be able to cancel PlusPoints requests that have received upgrades. (link) Essentially burning 20 points in the event that only the domestic portion of your request clears.

If I don't want to risk a short connection clearing but not the long haul, can I request only the long haul? Can I add the short haul later?
Yes, you can limit the request to a specific segment.
But once a all or a portion or all the request has cleared, you can not change it to add another segment.

Will I get a refund if only the short segment clears but not the long haul / Polaris segment?
No, that is a change from the GPU days (but still true for mileage upgrades). But you will only be charged the amount for the cleared segment(s).

Is {anything else} changing? (link)
No, not really. "Million milers will receive the equivalent of what they receive today in PlusPoints. Classes of availability for upgrades are not changing. PlusPoints can be sponsored to other travelers in the same way GPUs and RPUs could be. For Skip Waitlist upgrades, the account holder must also be traveling."

I see PlusPoints for sale on Craigslist or eBay. May I buy them and use them?
We do not recommend this. If UA determines the PlusPoints was sold, you risk having your M+ account terminated and loss of your miles, status, lifetime miles, etc.

Do the fare class restrictions apply to domestic flights?
No, you can use a PlusPoints on any fare on any domestic/ any CPU eligible flight.
For non-CPU flights, the standard 40 PlusPoints is needs for W or higher. For lower fares it takes 80 PlusPoints.

Is there a maximum layover between segments of a journey?
Unclear. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20453548-post221.html is an example of 38 hours, where the 1K desk applied it on behalf of the customer. What is interesting about this case is that 38 hours is well beyond a layover, which implies that in some cases, one PlusPoints can be used for two journeys on the same ticket even if the two journeys are beyond 12 hours apart (12 hours being the pmUA rule 4 hours for North American / domestic only flights).
Lots of uncertain still exists on this issue.

What is the relative waitlist priority of PlusPoints vs Miles
The use of PlusPoints vs Miles has no impact on the waitlist priority, they have the same priority as a supported upgrade

May I cross two oceans with the same set of PlusPoints?
Yes if the entire journey is on one confirmation number and the max layover rule (above) is met.

My PlusPoints ares still valid/unexpired, but my journey starts after the PlusPoints expires. Can I use them for that journey?
No.

Can I use my PlusPoints for another traveler? Do I have to be traveling with them?
You can use your PlusPoints for another traveler. If on the same PNR, it will be done as you do yourself. When on a common PNR, you can only request upgrades for everyone, not just some -- to do that you need to split the PNR.
If the other traveler is on a separate PNR, you pull up their PNR in your account (via My Trips), you will need their PNR id and their bass name as on the reservation. Then go to the upgrade tab and proceed as if it was your reservation
When on a common PNR, the other travelers will have the same waitlist priority as you (this should continue even if the PNR is split after requesting the upgrade).
When on a separate PNR, they will be prioritized based on their status.

If my status changes, will I lose my PlusPoints?
No, PlusPoints, once granted, are good until they expire. You could conceivably drop to general member and maintain your PlusPoints. When you use the PlusPoints, you'll be prioritized based on your present status.

The prior GPU thread is now archived

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Old Nov 3, 19, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by restlessinRNO
This of course is much less generous than previously, when one could earn 1 GPU (now 40 points) for every additional 25,000 PQM.
exactly what i was thinking. i find it disappointing they have not communicated anything extra to GS's

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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by iainmc
Originally Posted by restlessinRNO
This of course is much less generous than previously, when one could earn 1 GPU (now 40 points) for every additional 25,000 PQM.
exactly what i was thinking.
As a GS you will likely be better off in the PointsPlus system for earning PointsPlus vs GPUs after the 1K requirements.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Well, it depends on your spend profile, but if you were spending 24 cpPQM or higher, you are better off with the new system. Less, than you are not. Like the RDM/PQD change, those above 18 cpm were better off. Once again, the high spender wins.
I agree, you would need to spend 24 cpPQM or above. But I think most 1K members, if they can meet the new 1K requalification requirements, will find themselves worse off. In 2020 you would need to spend $6000 to earn an additional 40 points.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
As a GS you will likely be better off in the PointsPlus system for earning PointsPlus vs GPUs after the 1K requirements.
Agreed. A $9K ticket EWR-LHR will earn the equivalent of 1.5 GPU under the new system, where it would have earned only .56 GPU (14k PQM) previously. Even SFO-LHR (22k PQM, or .88 GPU) earns considerably more under the new system.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by restlessinRNO
I agree, you would need to spend 24 cpPQM or above. But I think most 1K members, if they can meet the new 1K requalification requirements, will find themselves worse off. ....
I think a significant number, to make the new 1K requirements, that way UA intents will be near that number. (In the old system, perhaps not, but the core premise of the new system to reward the higher spenders.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Agreed. A $9K ticket EWR-LHR will earn the equivalent of 1.5 GPU under the new system, where it would have earned only .56 GPU (14k PQM) previously. Even SFO-LHR (22k PQM, or .88 GPU) earns considerably more under the new system.
In the extreme opposite, an approx $1k W fare ORD-SFO-SIN r/t earns 0.8 GPU now, and 0.16 GPU equivalent in 2020!😱. 4 GPUs every 5 r/ts vs 1 every 6 r/ts next year.
Just what UA wants.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by tcdtcd
In the extreme opposite, an approx $1k W fare ORD-SFO-SIN r/t earns 0.8 GPU now, and 0.16 GPU equivalent in 2020!😱. 4 GPUs every 5 r/ts vs 1 every 6 r/ts next year.
Just what UA wants.
Yes, it's a punitive system for 1K who are barely hitting the PQD numbers. But most GS will come out ahead. Same as they did when mileage accrual went dollar based.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:44 pm
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Originally Posted by tcdtcd
In the extreme opposite, an approx $1k W fare ORD-SFO-SIN r/t earns 0.8 GPU now, and 0.16 GPU equivalent in 2020!😱. 4 GPUs every 5 r/ts vs 1 every 6 r/ts next year.
Just what UA wants.
But that individual is going to have a hard time qualiflying for 1K in 2020, so it may be a moot point.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 1:55 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
But that individual is going to have a hard time qualiflying for 1K in 2020, so it may be a moot point.
It's already the case that if you fly on mostly Ws, you're not going to hit $15k PQD. And it's part of the reason many of us wind up giving most of our GPU to friends/family.

Somewhat ironic that if you use all the upgrade certificates (or points) that UA gives you for your own travel, you're likely not going to spend enough to requalify.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee

Somewhat ironic that if you use all the upgrade certificates (or points) that UA gives you for your own travel, you're likely not going to spend enough to requalify.
This had me only barely make 1K for 2020. I flew so much in 2018, that I had a bunch of GPUs which I successfully used this year (only one to go!).
Of course this made my spend lower/slower, so qualifying for 1K was later than ever.

Hope to use all remaining points in 2020, and move all remaining flights away from UA.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
It's already the case that if you fly on mostly Ws, you're not going to hit $15k PQD. And it's part of the reason many of us wind up giving most of our GPU to friends/family.

Somewhat ironic that if you use all the upgrade certificates (or points) that UA gives you for your own travel, you're likely not going to spend enough to requalify.
My situation exactly. Ill be extending 80 Plus Points, if allowed, or I will try to find good homes for them, if not. Which means that after I use up the GPUs Ill earn from this years travel, Ill simply be buying the cheapest discounted longhaul business class ticket I can find. It may be on UA. It likely will be on a *A partner. Or it may be on a non-* airline that Id be eager to try.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 4:05 pm
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My situation exactly. I’ll be extending 80 Plus Points, if allowed, or I will try to find good homes for them, if not. Which means that after I use up the GPU’s I’ll earn from this year’s travel, I’ll simply be buying the cheapest discounted longhaul business class ticket I can find. It may be on UA. It likely will be on a *A partner. Or it may be on a non-* airline that I’d be eager to try.
I will suggest that you should also have a differential (a few hundred USD) in mind when evaluating 'cheapest'. UA is really bottom of the barrel when it comes to in-flight service, and if within the alliance they are having any fare competition, stay away from UA.
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Old Nov 4, 19, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by narvik
This had me only barely make 1K for 2020. I flew so much in 2018, that I had a bunch of GPUs which I successfully used this year (only one to go!).
Of course this made my spend lower/slower, so qualifying for 1K was later than ever.

Hope to use all remaining points in 2020, and move all remaining flights away from UA.
I'm leaning this way as well. I'm partially hub-captive in northern NJ, and will just squeak in as a 1k for '20. Most of my flying is paid domestic first, with a ton of <3hr flights. I'll continue to book UA for regional travel where I have little choice, but anything TATL or to the west coast will be wide open. It will be a drop in the bucket to UA, but my business will shift since I'll no longer have the bult in advantage of being 1K.
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Old Nov 4, 19, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Agreed. A $9K ticket EWR-LHR will earn the equivalent of 1.5 GPU under the new system, where it would have earned only .56 GPU (14k PQM) previously. Even SFO-LHR (22k PQM, or .88 GPU) earns considerably more under the new system.
But $9K RTW tickets will potentially earn more GPU, right? (but earn the same PQD and RDM - 11x for 1Ks and GS)

So which is actually better? Earning points based on $ amount (fixed), or based on the old PQM - which is dependent on Fare Class and distance flown?
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Old Nov 4, 19, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by kittiyut
So which is actually better? Earning points based on $ amount (fixed), or based on the old PQM - which is dependent on Fare Class and distance flown?
Note: This post discusses PQMs because it's intended to be a comparison between the current system and next year's. PQMs are going away as of January 1, so these ratios are hypothetical when referring to next year's travel -- think of them as (a) a way to look at this year's activity to figure out which system is more beneficial or (b) a way to map next year's programs onto the terms we're used to seeing.

For flights on UA metal, or ticketed on UA, it depends upon whether or not your PQD/PQM ratio is $0.24 or higher. If it is, the new system will generate more GPUs. If it's not, the old system will. (The new system is calibrated at $0.24/PQM: if you spend at that ratio, you'd earn 1K with 100K PQM)

For flights on another partner airline, ticketed on that airline, it depends upon the RDM/PQM ratio. For preferred partners, you'd need a ratio of 1.2:1 to come out even -- you'll get one GPU-equivalent for every 30K redeemable miles earned on preferred partners, not counting the Premier bonus. For non-preferred partners, you need a ratio of 1.44:1: you'll get one GPU-equivalent for every 36K redeemable miles earned on non-preferred partners. I suspect that these ratios will be very difficult to find in practice. AC P fares currently meet this description -- beyond the 18K level, you'll get one additional GPU-equivalent for every 15K miles flown on AC P fares, assuming they don't change the earning table. Previously, that would only have gotten you 22.5K PQMs, so you're coming out slightly ahead. You'd also come out ahead on AC TATL BE fares that are booked in Q, V, W, or G (??).

To answer your question directly, then: I suspect a $9K RTW ticket (J?) would probably come out behind in the new system. If ticketed on UA, $9K gets you as much progress toward GPUs as 37.5K PQMs would have this year, and I suspect that most RTW J itineraries would have resulted in more than 37.5K PQMs. And if not ticketed on UA, you'd need to be in one of the small number of earning classes with a good RDM/PQM ratio to come out ahead.
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