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Consolidated UA PlusPoints Question & Answer Thread

Old Sep 24, 19, 8:33 am
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Quick Summary

Starting on December 4, 2019 all existing and future upgrade instruments (RPU and GPU) will be changed into PlusPoints. There will be a straight equivalence: each RPU is 20 points and each GPU is 40 points. There will be no actual changes to the earning rates or expiration dates for Premiers, including Million Milers and bonus instruments (now points) for multiples of 25,000 PQM beyond the 1K requirements.

More from United: Upgrade Types: PlusPoints

Earning Rates
Premier Platinum: 40 points
Premier 1K: 320 points (includes the 40 points earned for reaching Platinum)
Premier 1K in 2019, earned for every 25,000 PQM beyond the 100,000-mile minimum (or every 30 PQS in excess of 120): 40 points
Premier 1K in 2020, earned for every 3,000 PQP beyond the 18,000 PQP minimum: 20 points

Upgrade Options
Short-haul flights (all non-Polaris marketed flights), Economy (all fare classes) to Premium Plus, Business, or First: 20 points
Short-haul flights, Premium Plus to Business or First: 10 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (all fare classes) to Premium Plus: 20 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, or W class) to Polaris: 40 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (S, T, L, K, or G class) to Polaris: 80 points
Long-haul flights, Premium Plus (all fare classes) to Polaris: 30 points
Long-haul flights, Economy (Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, or W class) or Premium Plus (all classes) to Polaris ("skip the waitlist"): ?? points (must be Premier 1K or GS and 30+ days in advance, expected to be a dynamic price, details still TBA)
Economy or Premium Economy to Business, or Business to First on LH, NH, or CM: 40 points

Basic Economy (fare class N and -LGT TATL fares in N/S/T/L/K/G classes as of current writing) tickets are never eligible for any upgrade of any kind.


Changes from Current Program

Generally speaking, all current uses of RPUs and GPUs will be the same as before (same inventory requirements, costs, and procedures) except that 20 or 40 points will be used instead of an RPU or GPU. However, there are some additional options and prices:
  • A short-haul (formerly RPU-eligible) upgrade is now 20 points (always) -- there is no concept of using a GPU on a domestic route since there is no concept of a GPU as a distinct instrument. So a 1K could choose to effectively use all 320 points for 16 RPUs.
  • BOG, UIO, HNL-GUM, and HNL-MAJ are now effectively RPU-eligible and require only 20 points.
  • Upgrading from Economy to Premium Economy ("Premium Plus") is now 20 points (from any fare class), which is an RPU-equivalent instead of a GPU-equivalent before.
  • Upgrading from Premium Economy to Business ("Premium Plus" to "Polaris") is now 30 points (from any fare class), which is a new price level and less than the GPU-equivalent before.
  • You may upgrade a previously ineligible deep discount Economy fare (classes S, T, L, K, or G) to Polaris for 80 points (2x GPU equivalent). (Upgrading a W or higher Economy fare is still 40 points, as before.)
  • Premier 1K members will have the opportunity to pay additional points to confirm an upgrade even if the requisite class (PZ/PN) is not available via "SkipWaitlist". This carries a 30-day advance requirement, will be available "from time to time", and further details are TBA.
  • Points are not deducted when you list for the upgrade, only when some part of the upgrade clears. You can request an unlimited number of upgrades in parallel, and remaining (uncleared) requests will be canceled if your points are exhausted.
    • E.g., if you waitlist for PZ (or PN) and for RN, and later RN clears from the waitlist, the full total for PZ will be deducted at that time.
  • Changes to how partial clearance of upgrades works. You have two options:
    • List all segments. If at least one segment clears, you will ultimately be charged for the highest single cost among all cleared segments. Thus, you will "spend an RPU" (20 points) if only a domestic connector to a Polaris-marketed segment clears (previously there was no cost).
    • List only the Polaris-marketed segments (or any subset you wish). You can add more segments back in after the Polaris-marketed segment clears - but this will be considered a new upgrade request (and cost extra points).
  • You can no longer cancel and redeposit a confirmed upgrade, even if your fare class is available (or maybe not - see post, which would imply no change here). If still waitlisted, it can be withdrawn. If withdrawn within 24 hrs of flight you will have to call UA to have ticket cancelled and reissued, as withdrawals can no longer be automatically processed within this window. (You can probably still SDC to another flight and back if your fare class is available and get the points back.)
  • No change to
    • Expiration. Instruments expiring 31-Jan-2020 will become points expiring 31-Jan-2020, and ditto for 31-Jan-2021. (UA Insider separated the 2 GPU extension practice from this announcement)
    • Use of instruments on partners (LH, NH, etc). Points will be deducted at application, like before (unlike UA flights which are changing). (Except CM, which will now be billed as a 40-point upgrade per segment.)
    • Pretty much anything else not covered above.
  • PlusPoints upgrades can be requested all the way until the cut-off time to check in for your flight. Previously, UA only accepted new waitlist requests for Global Premier Upgrades and Regional Premier Upgrades up to 24 hours before departure. Waitlists for MileagePlus Upgrade Awards will continue to be accepted until 24 hours before departure.
UA Insider & other relevant post(s) noted below:

Weve heard from MileagePlus Premier members that theyre interested in an upgrade program thats more customizable and with fewer restrictions. Introducing PlusPoints flexible points that can be used for upgrades anywhere we fly. Starting in December, the new program gives MileagePlus Platinum members and above a bank of points that they can use to upgrade on U.S. domestic and international flights where they previously would have used Regional Premier Upgrades (RPUs) and Global Premier Upgrades (GPUs). Complimentary Premier Upgrades wont change, so you will still get free upgrades on select flights when available.


FAQ with UA Insider (direct quotes in "quotes")

Will Global Services members have the same cost structure (in points) as 1K and Platinum? (link)
Yes.

How will the pricing of "Skip Waitlist" work? (link)
It is expected to be dynamic. "Availability and pricing ... will vary based on a number of factors."

Will 1K members still be able to extend 2 GPUs (or 80 PlusPoints) until April 30 of the following year, subject to re-qualification? (link)
Reports now show that you can extend up to 80 points, but only if you've requalified for 1K/GS and those 80 points were previously 2 GPUs. They know the difference and there are mixed reports of success extending former RPU points (but highly unlikely).

Will it still be possible to optionally list for both Premium Plus and Polaris (on an Economy fare)? (link)
"You will still be able to waitlist for both cabins. However, if you only clear into Premium Plus youll ultimately only pay for the highest upgrade you receive which in this example would be Premium Plus (20 PlusPoints). Keep in mind well deduct the full request price, equal to the highest price upgrade requested, whenever any upgrade clears and youll receive any difference in PlusPoints due back to you when landing at your destination."

What happens if only part of your itinerary is upgraded? (link)
You will be charged for the upgrade you received: "If you dont receive the highest-priced PlusPoints upgrade you requested, ... youll be due for a credit ... equal to the difference between the PlusPoints request price and the highest-priced PlusPoints upgrade you received."
You will not be able to cancel PlusPoints requests that have received upgrades. (link) Essentially burning 20 points in the event that only the domestic portion of your request clears.

If I don't want to risk a short connection clearing but not the long haul, can I request only the long haul? Can I add the short haul later?
Yes, you can limit the request to a specific segment.
But once a all or a portion or all the request has cleared, you can not change it to add another segment.

Will I get a refund if only the short segment clears but not the long haul / Polaris segment?
No, that is a change from the GPU days (but still true for mileage upgrades). But you will only be charged the amount for the cleared segment(s).

Is {anything else} changing? (link)
No, not really. "Million milers will receive the equivalent of what they receive today in PlusPoints. Classes of availability for upgrades are not changing. PlusPoints can be sponsored to other travelers in the same way GPUs and RPUs could be. For Skip Waitlist upgrades, the account holder must also be traveling."

I see PlusPoints for sale on Craigslist or eBay. May I buy them and use them?
We do not recommend this. If UA determines the PlusPoints was sold, you risk having your M+ account terminated and loss of your miles, status, lifetime miles, etc.

Do the fare class restrictions apply to domestic flights?
No, you can use a PlusPoints on any fare on any domestic/ any CPU eligible flight.
For non-CPU flights, the standard 40 PlusPoints is needs for W or higher. For lower fares it takes 80 PlusPoints.

Is there a maximum layover between segments of a journey?
Unclear. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20453548-post221.html is an example of 38 hours, where the 1K desk applied it on behalf of the customer. What is interesting about this case is that 38 hours is well beyond a layover, which implies that in some cases, one PlusPoints can be used for two journeys on the same ticket even if the two journeys are beyond 12 hours apart (12 hours being the pmUA rule 4 hours for North American / domestic only flights).
Lots of uncertain still exists on this issue.

What is the relative waitlist priority of PlusPoints vs Miles
The use of PlusPoints vs Miles has no impact on the waitlist priority, they have the same priority as a supported upgrade

May I cross two oceans with the same set of PlusPoints?
Yes if the entire journey is on one confirmation number and the max layover rule (above) is met.

My PlusPoints ares still valid/unexpired, but my journey starts after the PlusPoints expires. Can I use them for that journey?
No.

Can I use my PlusPoints for another traveler? Do I have to be traveling with them?
You can use your PlusPoints for another traveler. If on the same PNR, it will be done as you do yourself. When on a common PNR, you can only request upgrades for everyone, not just some -- to do that you need to split the PNR.
If the other traveler is on a separate PNR, you pull up their PNR in your account (via My Trips), you will need their PNR id and their bass name as on the reservation. Then go to the upgrade tab and proceed as if it was your reservation
When on a common PNR, the other travelers will have the same waitlist priority as you (this should continue even if the PNR is split after requesting the upgrade).
When on a separate PNR, they will be prioritized based on their status.

If my status changes, will I lose my PlusPoints?
No, PlusPoints, once granted, are good until they expire. You could conceivably drop to general member and maintain your PlusPoints. When you use the PlusPoints, you'll be prioritized based on your present status.

The prior GPU thread is now archived

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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
I suspect the bad news will mostly be received experientially. We're already seeing a change to waitlist processing on instrument-only routes (waitlist not processed until T-24). We may also see a reduction (or complete elimination) of advance PZ.
The affect on PZ inventory will ultimately determine whether any of these changes are good or bad as it boils down to how many upgrades you end up with at the end of the year.
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by belfordrocks
Another change I don't see mentioned yet is that GUM-HNL is now the equivalent of RPU-eligible, so you could theoretically upgrade EWR-HNL-GUM-NRT for the cost of a single RPU (20 PlusPoints)
Correct, this is on mileageplusupdates.com we knew it was a pain point that we required a GPU on markets that did have Polaris business service, such as GUM-HNL, Bogota, and Quito, so those routes will now have short-haul pricing. Enjoy!
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by UA Insider
Correct, this is on mileageplusupdates.com we knew it was a pain point that we required a GPU on markets that did have Polaris business service, such as GUM-HNL, Bogota, and Quito, so those routes will now have short-haul pricing. Enjoy!


Color me impressed. That's a super positive change for once!
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by belfordrocks
Another change I don't see mentioned yet is that GUM-HNL is now the equivalent of RPU-eligible, so you could theoretically upgrade EWR-HNL-GUM-NRT for the cost of a single RPU (20 PlusPoints)
Nice catch. Island hopper too though that's an impossible upgrade anyways.
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:48 pm
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I did say theoretically
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by mechteach
... Without the assurance of an April carryover, ...
There never has been an assurance of the April extensions. High likelihood yes, but UA has waited to November (sometimes Dec) generally to make that offer and it was skipped one year (2012).
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:51 pm
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well they found a way to slip in basically dynamic pricing in year 0 with skip the waitlist.
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:52 pm
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United Insider,

Will we have to call in to get our PP redeposited to our accounts after upgrade failures like we have for all of 2019?
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Old Sep 24, 19, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by jasonp622
United Insider,

Will we have to call in to get our PP redeposited to our accounts after upgrade failures like we have for all of 2019?
The points won't be deducted until at least one upgraded segment clears.

Now, if you only clear a domestic leg, and not the long-haul leg, and are therefore due a refund... I suspect those will sometimes fail to be returned without a phone call.
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Old Sep 24, 19, 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by laxmillenial
The biggest thing that stands out for me is:

Can I cancel a confirmed upgrade request?


You will not be able to cancel PlusPoints requests that have received upgrades.
Another big one, which could potentially eat away at points:

What happens if only part of your itinerary is upgraded?

The credit of 20 PlusPoints back into your available balance is the difference between the price of the request (40 PlusPoints) and the highest-priced PlusPoints upgrade received (20 PlusPoints).

They'll still take away 20 points if your short-haul flight clears and you won't be able to cancel the request.
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Will a double international upgrade still be 40 points, the way a GPU can be used for multiple international segments with <24h layovers?
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Old Sep 24, 19, 1:21 pm
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I like the flexibility of being able to use 20 PP for domestic upgrade requests or 40 PP for international upgrade requests. This way, if I travel more domestically, what used to be 6 GPUs would now be worth the equivalent of 12 RPUs. (Of course, whether any of these instruments will ever clear is a different question.)

I hope we get clarification on whether regular (i.e. non-Skip) PPs will be refunded in the case of voluntary changes to upgraded segments. If not, that would make them significantly less flexibile than GPUs and RPUs (and mileage upgrades).
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Old Sep 24, 19, 1:37 pm
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I think this will be the end of international upgrades at time of booking, instead they will charge to "skip the waitlist" where they now allow the upgrade. That means that for premier plat, the upgrades will be as useless as the RPUs are currently.
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Old Sep 24, 19, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Howard
I like the flexibility of being able to use 20 PP for domestic upgrade requests or 40 PP for international upgrade requests. This way, if I travel more domestically, what used to be 6 GPUs would now be worth the equivalent of 12 RPUs. (Of course, whether any of these instruments will ever clear is a different question.)

I hope we get clarification on whether regular (i.e. non-Skip) PPs will be refunded in the case of voluntary changes to upgraded segments. If not, that would make them significantly less flexibile than GPUs and RPUs (and mileage upgrades).
Agree, I basically use ALL of GPUs as RPUs for reasons I have posted about numerous times here so this is a benefit as far as that point. Per your other comment, yes it is still unclear whether this will improve clearing of your instruments at all or even make it now worse.
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Old Sep 24, 19, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by RichardInSF
I think this will be the end of international upgrades at time of booking, instead they will charge to "skip the waitlist" where they now allow the upgrade. That means that for premier plat, the upgrades will be as useless as the RPUs are currently.
I disagree. Advance PZ space was already degrading; I don't think this hurts or helps that trend. If they don't expect to be able to sell the seats, I think that they will continue to open PZ space. They're just getting better at selling the space.
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