ORD-FRA @ 2:25 PM - Removed during end of year holiday period? Advice please
A couple of months ago I booked a flight out of ORD at 2:25pm on December 24 with a connection in FRA (inside Schengen). The flight was to leave ORD at 2:25 pm, layover for 5 hours in FRA, and then take the next leg to my final destination (FCO).
I randomly checked my reservation today and noticed that United had somehow moved me to the flight out of ORD at 6:05pm. No notification or anything like that... But United's IT is besides the point. This change leaves me with only 1hr of connection time in FRA After searching flight options seems there is now literally only one direct flight on that day: the UA at 6:05pm. Not even LH is flying that day. My question is: should I wait for the 2:25 pm flight to eventually return or should I already rebook myself with a connection out of say IAD? I really hate adding a domestic connection to such a flight because of high chance of IRROPS during that season. Is there even a chance the 2:25 pm flight will return? |
Originally Posted by LordDenton
(Post 31426995)
A couple of months ago I booked a flight out of ORD at 2:25pm on December 24 with a connection in FRA (inside Schengen). The flight was to leave ORD at 2:25 pm, layover for 5 hours in FRA, and then take the next leg to my final destination (FCO).
I randomly checked my reservation today and noticed that United had somehow moved me to the flight out of ORD at 6:05pm. No notification or anything like that... But United's IT is besides the point. This change leaves me with only 1hr of connection time in FRA After searching flight options seems there is now literally only one direct flight on that day: the UA at 6:05pm. Not even LH is flying that day. My question is: should I wait for the 2:25 pm flight to eventually return or should I already rebook myself with a connection out of say IAD? I really hate adding a domestic connection to such a flight because of high chance of IRROPS during that season. Is there even a chance the 2:25 pm flight will return? This comes up up multiple times a year - with people wondering why X flight isn’t running on whatever day around Xmas, Thanksgiving or New Years. For some international destinations, they rotate hubs. For example, to NRT, the SFO, DEN and IAD flights might run one day around the holidays, while they won’t run the following day and LAX, ORD and IAH will. Those are examples only. UA isn’t the only carrier to do this around this time. For example, going onto BLR from FRA, which is typically daily on LH, they only run I think 4 x that Xams week, or at least did last year. |
Are you shocked UA and LH are operating with a reduced schedule on Christmas Eve? All you should be concerned with is whether LH has a later flight from FRA to FCO on Christmas day (IMHO). They probably do but it’s worth a quick check. |
Holiday schedule reductions are common and assuming this is not a fat finger error, it will not come back. So if not reversed in a day or two, it is real.
1 HR is the MCT for UA at FRA (assuming you are talking LH connecting) |
Assuming you are flying FRA-FCO on LH, correct? If so, they have a later non-stop flight and other flights with connections to FCO.
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Originally Posted by LordDenton
(Post 31426995)
A couple of months ago I booked a flight out of ORD at 2:25pm on December 24 with a connection in FRA (inside Schengen). The flight was to leave ORD at 2:25 pm, layover for 5 hours in FRA, and then take the next leg to my final destination (FCO).
I randomly checked my reservation today and noticed that United had somehow moved me to the flight out of ORD at 6:05pm. No notification or anything like that... But United's IT is besides the point. This change leaves me with only 1hr of connection time in FRA After searching flight options seems there is now literally only one direct flight on that day: the UA at 6:05pm. Not even LH is flying that day. My question is: should I wait for the 2:25 pm flight to eventually return or should I already rebook myself with a connection out of say IAD? I really hate adding a domestic connection to such a flight because of high chance of IRROPS during that season. Is there even a chance the 2:25 pm flight will return? |
with such a schedule change you can ask pretty much for any re-routing. Is LX via ZRH operating that day? That's a decent option IMO.
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How about requesting they put you on
UA609 1125 ORD - 1432 EWR UA40 1745 EWR - 0805(+1) FCO ? It's all UA metal, so they can open space, and the high frequency of ORD-EWR means you can probably get something worked out in case of IRROPS. Also, if you booked in J, there is a Polaris Lounge both at origin and connection. |
Originally Posted by LordDenton
(Post 31426995)
A couple of months ago I booked a flight out of ORD at 2:25pm on December 24 with a connection in FRA (inside Schengen). The flight was to leave ORD at 2:25 pm, layover for 5 hours in FRA, and then take the next leg to my final destination (FCO).
I randomly checked my reservation today and noticed that United had somehow moved me to the flight out of ORD at 6:05pm. No notification or anything like that... But United's IT is besides the point. This change leaves me with only 1hr of connection time in FRA After searching flight options seems there is now literally only one direct flight on that day: the UA at 6:05pm. Not even LH is flying that day. My question is: should I wait for the 2:25 pm flight to eventually return or should I already rebook myself with a connection out of say IAD? I really hate adding a domestic connection to such a flight because of high chance of IRROPS during that season. Is there even a chance the 2:25 pm flight will return? Do you have a separate ticket for FRA-FCO? |
There’s also a 1:55pm departure on Air Canada via Toronto. I’d try for that as it’s close to your original time and gets into FCO earlier on the 25th. |
Originally Posted by milepig
(Post 31427260)
There’s also a 1:55pm departure on Air Canada via Toronto. I’d try for that as it’s close to your original time and gets into FCO earlier on the 25th. I wouldn't. I hate doing USA-CAN-other connections due to the separate airport areas for transborder flights. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 31427259)
Do you have a separate ticket for FRA-FCO? |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 31427267)
I wouldn't. I hate doing USA-CAN-other connections due to the separate airport areas for transborder flights. |
Yes but IIRC some airports make you enter Canada first and I've heard of people having to wait in a holding pen before the international departure. I don't know specifically what the current transborder to international transit path would be at Toronto. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 31427492)
Yes but IIRC some airports make you enter Canada first and I've heard of people having to wait in a holding pen before the international departure. I don't know specifically what the current transborder to international transit path would be at Toronto. you directly go to the intercontinental departure area when you arrive from the US and connect TATL and TPAC in YYZ |
Originally Posted by cfischer
(Post 31427544)
:confused:
you directly go to the intercontinental departure area when you arrive from the US and connect TATL and TPAC in YYZ |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 31427492)
Yes but IIRC some airports make you enter Canada first and I've heard of people having to wait in a holding pen before the international departure. I don't know specifically what the current transborder to international transit path would be at Toronto. |
Originally Posted by emcampbe
(Post 31427610)
OP would go directly to ‘customs B’, which is a cursory check by the Canadians, and after clearing, drops them in the international gate area. No extra security either. The only way they wouldn’t be able to do that is if they arrive and ‘customs B’ is closed, but that doesn’t happen until sometime in the evening, so assuming a standard connection to an evening TATL, shouldn’t be a problem. |
Thank you so much for the advice. Clarifies a lot for me.
Actually I do want to connect in FRA. My wife is flying at the same time from Tokyo HND (the midnight flight) to FRA, we meet in the morning in FRA, and then continue together to FCO. The meeting in FRA was supposed to be the start of our vacation, and we paid several hundred dollars extra to get this specific leg combination. That's why I wanna wanna keep the FRA to FCO leg with a generous connection time in FRA. |
Originally Posted by sannmann
(Post 31427030)
Probably not. Looks like they cancelled that flight that day. Stick with what you were rebooked to or call and get rebooked to another flight. An hour connection at FRA is not a problem unless the first flight is delayed. |
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 31427023)
Holiday schedule reductions are common and assuming this is not a fat finger error, it will not come back. So if not reversed in a day or two, it is real.
1 HR is the MCT for UA at FRA (assuming you are talking LH connecting) |
Originally Posted by LordDenton
(Post 31427705)
Thank you so much for the advice. Clarifies a lot for me.
Actually I do want to connect in FRA. My wife is flying at the same time from Tokyo HND (the midnight flight) to FRA, we meet in the morning in FRA, and then continue together to FCO. The meeting in FRA was supposed to be the start of our vacation, and we paid several hundred dollars extra to get this specific leg combination. That's why I wanna wanna keep the FRA to FCO leg with a generous connection time in FRA. |
In that case, ask to be booked on a flight to some other US-city and connect. The obvious choice is IAD, getting you in at 7:10 (UA) or 8:30 (LH). The less obvious choices are connecting to LH in BOS or MIA, or take AC. In winter, I'd not want to make an extra stop in any place that might get snow.
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