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Forcing a specific fare class / fare basis on UA.com?
I'm in the strange position of wanting to pay more for the same flight :). Specifically, I'm trying to book a short segment to make my PQD requirement. The fare showing on united.com is a couple dollars too low, but on Matrix, I can force it to give me a fare that's about $10 more. Both fares book into the same inventory bucket, so I can't force united.com to display it just by restricting the booking code. I can book the fare on Flightnetwork via bookwithmatrix.com (unfortunately, when I try the same with Priceline, it reprices it to the cheapest available fare), but I'd rather use united.com or another site that offers free 24 hour cancellation (Flightnetwork doesn't seem to offer it on this particular fare). Is there any way to do so?
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No way, that I am aware of, to force a specific fare basis (most want the cheaper fare) on UA.com.
You can book the lower fare basis on UA.com and call to upfare (in the first 24 hours) for free. This will provide the full PQD, |
Regarding the other site you listed, as far as I know, it's FAA law that all flights are refundable within 24 hours of purchase (unless the flight itself is departing within 24 hours).
---- Edited to add: You do say "Fare Basis" and not fare class, as I see now and removed my instructions for forcing specific fare classes. |
Originally Posted by MBS MillionMiler
(Post 31362655)
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Go to 'advanced search'. In the fare preferences heading, just below the boxes for fare class and type of fare, is a box that says "Fare class" and in that box is "examples, Y, B, M"... ....
Originally Posted by MBS MillionMiler
(Post 31362655)
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Side note, the other site you listed, as far as I know, it's FAA law that all flights are refundable within 24 hours of purchase (unless the flight itself is departing within 24 hours). And the exempt is 7 days in advance (but UA.com does not make use of the exemption) |
Originally Posted by MBS MillionMiler
(Post 31362655)
Regarding the other site you listed, as far as I know, it's FAA law that all flights are refundable within 24 hours of purchase (unless the flight itself is departing within 24 hours).
As mentioned by WineCountry, OTAs are not required to refund within 24 hours. Many do (Orbitz, Expedia, etc.) but that is used as an incentive for people to book with them, but isn’t required. |
Originally Posted by emcampbe
(Post 31362744)
Its not ‘FAA law’, it’s DOT regulations. And those DOT regulations don’t apply to travel agencies. And it doesn’t have to be ‘refundable’ per say. AA, for example, used to not allow a refund, but instead allow a free 24 hour hold before purchase - which is allowed under the regs. As mentioned by WineCountry, OTAs are not required to refund within 24 hours. Many do (Orbitz, Expedia, etc.) but that is used as an incentive for people to book with them, but isn’t required. Thanks for the clarification. Yet another reason to book direct with airlines. |
Forced Fare
Originally Posted by yonatan
(Post 31362580)
I'm in the strange position of wanting to pay more for the same flight :). Specifically, I'm trying to book a short segment to make my PQD requirement. The fare showing on united.com is a couple dollars too low, but on Matrix, I can force it to give me a fare that's about $10 more. Both fares book into the same inventory bucket, so I can't force united.com to display it just by restricting the booking code. I can book the fare on Flightnetwork via bookwithmatrix.com (unfortunately, when I try the same with Priceline, it reprices it to the cheapest available fare), but I'd rather use united.com or another site that offers free 24 hour cancellation (Flightnetwork doesn't seem to offer it on this particular fare). Is there any way to do so?
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What drives the fare basis? The only time I've seen variances in pricing for the same fare class is when monitoring a segment closely on United.com closely over several weeks waiting for PN to open. On various days the price for the lowest fare class (which was always the same T or S class) would vary by ~$10-50 depending on day of the week and number of remaining fares in that class.
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Originally Posted by n8-the-gr8
(Post 31364453)
would vary by ~$10-50 depending on day of the week and number of remaining fares in that class.
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Originally Posted by n8-the-gr8
(Post 31364453)
What drives the fare basis?....
Things that may eliminate cheaper fare / fare basis are - Fare class inventory - Day of the week - Advance purchase requirements - min / max stay - routing - ... Same sort of things covered in https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...ook-into.html- There may be multiple fare/ basis for a given fare class but with different fare rules -- particularly advance purchase timeframes |
Originally Posted by n8-the-gr8
(Post 31364453)
What drives the fare basis? The only time I've seen variances in pricing for the same fare class is when monitoring a segment closely on United.com closely over several weeks waiting for PN to open. On various days the price for the lowest fare class (which was always the same T or S class) would vary by ~$10-50 depending on day of the week and number of remaining fares in that class.
Interestingly enough, I had a first that I can remember when searching for fares to LAX yesterday. I initially looked on the app in the morning, and saw a G outbound/L return for flights that were good for me. Both the outbound and the return were showing 9s for the relevant fare classes. But wanted to book on the full website since I was going to use some TravelBank funds. Returned in the early afternoon time frame, to see the fare increased from $297 to $360 in the few hours. But the most surprising thing is it was still a G/L combo. Every time I’ve seen the fare increase, it’s always been a fare class thing (ie, they sold out/zerod our inventory and so the L become an S, or whatever, or I went over the advance purchase deadline and so was booked in a different fare basis). Since I wasn’t paying attention to the specific fare basis, just class, I can’t be sure, but I’m pretty sure it must have changed - either they eliminated the fare basis that I was looking at in the morning, or they raised the fare on it (by quite a bit) - I suppose it’s also possible they eliminated allowing a combination of that L fare I saw earlier with a G between my searches, but that also seems unlikely. I know it was the return part of the fare that was the issue, since a lower fare still existed on a G/G return trip with a different return flight. I know min/max stay or advance purchase wasn’t the issue, as the searches were done the same calendar day. I’m not sure what caused the L fare basis to change, but it must have. I booked this morning on what became a G/K combo, at $20 less than the higher amount above, but I know we took up all the return k inventory now, and it’s back to the G/L on our flights at $360 now. |
Not sure if this is the same issue, but last night tried to use advance search to book a W fare so as to be able to take advantage of lower PP redemption. Both flights had W availability, so I assumed the fare I was shown in the advanced search was W, but after booking and trying to apply PPs, noticed the ticket was actually booked in K (discovered this when UA wanted 80 PPs for each segment instead of 40). Had to call UA and pay the upfare separately into W (was about $400 more r/t than the K fare that UA.com pushed on me despite selecting W in advanced search). Is there a way around this? If not, what's the point of being able to select W in advance search? Or was my experience just a glitch?
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Originally Posted by st530
(Post 36202372)
Not sure if this is the same issue, but last night tried to use advance search to book a W fare so as to be able to take advantage of lower PP redemption. Both flights had W availability, so I assumed the fare I was shown in the advanced search was W, but after booking and trying to apply PPs, noticed the ticket was actually booked in K (discovered this when UA wanted 80 PPs for each segment instead of 40). Had to call UA and pay the upfare separately into W (was about $400 more r/t than the K fare that UA.com pushed on me despite selecting W in advanced search). Is there a way around this? If not, what's the point of being able to select W in advance search? Or was my experience just a glitch?
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Originally Posted by physioprof
(Post 36202470)
I'm pretty sure that the option to search for a specific fare class doesn't work correctly for connecting itineraries.
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Originally Posted by st530
(Post 36202372)
Not sure if this is the same issue, but last night tried to use advance search to book a W fare so as to be able to take advantage of lower PP redemption. Both flights had W availability, so I assumed the fare I was shown in the advanced search was W, but after booking and trying to apply PPs, noticed the ticket was actually booked in K (discovered this when UA wanted 80 PPs for each segment instead of 40). Had to call UA and pay the upfare separately into W (was about $400 more r/t than the K fare that UA.com pushed on me despite selecting W in advanced search). Is there a way around this? If not, what's the point of being able to select W in advance search? Or was my experience just a glitch?
Originally Posted by physioprof
(Post 36202470)
I'm pretty sure that the option to search for a specific fare class doesn't work correctly for connecting itineraries.
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