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787-8/9 Polaris/Premium Plus retrofit configurations

Old Jul 16, 19, 11:29 am
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787-8/9 Polaris/Premium Plus retrofit configurations

787-8/9 Polaris/premium configurations will be:

788: 28/21/194 (removal of galley at door 3)
789: 48/21/188 (some lav & galley changes in aft cabin)
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Old Jul 16, 19, 11:36 am
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28 View Post
787-8/9 Polaris/premium configurations will be:

788: 28/21/194 (removal of galley at door 3)
789: 48/21/188 (some lav & galley changes in aft cabin)
there must be a huge reduction of E+ seats.
788: 36/70/113 Polaris/E+/E
789: 48/88/116 Polaris/E+/E.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Kmxu View Post

there must be a huge reduction of E+ seats.
788: 36/70/113 Polaris/E+/E
789: 48/88/116 Polaris/E+/E.

UA's most recent Polaris configurations (aside from the 76L) have about 22-25% of the total Y seat count as E+, down from 30-50% in earlier configurations. Given that ratio, for both the 788 and 789, I would expect 36-45 E+ seats.

For the 788 and 789 reconfigurations, I would use the 787-10 layout as a clue to how they'll come out, especially forward of A-zone, and I would expect E+ to go to 34" pitch and E- to 31". The 788s will probably get new Y seats in the style of the 787-10s (RockwellCollins Aspire). I am assuming UA is cramming 28 Polaris seats into A-zone on the 788?

I'm interested to see the LOPAs.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28 View Post
787-8/9 Polaris/premium configurations will be:

788: 28/21/194 (removal of galley at door 3)
789: 48/21/188 (some lav & galley changes in aft cabin)
Wait, so the 788 is getting a net increase of 24 seats? That sounds miserable. That 194 isn't supposed to be a 164, by chance, is it?

I'm disappointed to see the J cabin shrink, although I'm not particularly surprised. It's going to make the 787-8 a tough bird for upgrades.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by jsloan View Post
Wait, so the 788 is getting a net increase of 24 seats? That sounds miserable. That 194 isn't supposed to be a 164, by chance, is it?

I'm disappointed to see the J cabin shrink, although I'm not particularly surprised. It's going to make the 787-8 a tough bird for upgrades.
My guess is some cabin monuments are moved around creatively to allow 28 seats in A-zone, the full number of J seats. Following 2L/R is a complex of lav/closet/cart stowage units, then 3 rows of PE at 38" pitch, 3 rows of E+ at 34" pitch and the balance standard Y at 31" pitch. The additional capacity is enabled by consolidating business class into one cabin.

If my math is off (which it probably is), then there might be 20 seats in A-zone, two rows of Polaris to follow, and then PE/E+/Y. I think it would still work out in that case.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
My guess is some cabin monuments are moved around creatively to allow 28 seats in A-zone, the full number of J seats. Following 2L/R is a complex of lav/closet/cart stowage units, then 3 rows of PE at 38" pitch, 3 rows of E+ at 34" pitch and the balance standard Y at 31" pitch. The additional capacity is enabled by consolidating business class into one cabin.
The additional capacity also results in the removal of the galley at door 3.
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
My guess is some cabin monuments are moved around creatively to allow 28 seats in A-zone, the full number of J seats. Following 2L/R is a complex of lav/closet/cart stowage units, then 3 rows of PE at 38" pitch, 3 rows of E+ at 34" pitch and the balance standard Y at 31" pitch. The additional capacity is enabled by consolidating business class into one cabin.
Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28 View Post
The additional capacity also results in the removal of the galley at door 3.
That makes sense. I stand by my original assessment, then. :/. Thanks to both of you.
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According to the graphic in this article (https://centreforaviation.com/analys...s-fleet-411254), the average seat count (all operators worldwide, ranging from 161 to 335) is 245 for 787-8. UA's original configuration is at 219, which is now bumped to 243. This number matches with AA's 787-8 count. Is this just coincident? Please ask Mr. Kirby.
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For comparison
788
UA: 28/21/194 (235 total)
AA: 20/28/191 (239 total)
AC: 20/21/214 (255 total)
BA: 35/25/154 (214 total)

789
UA: 48/21/188 (257 total)
AA: 30/21/224 (275 total)
AC: 30/21/247 (298 total)
AF: 30/21/225 (276 total)

Although more seats on the UA Polaris 787, the premium cabin is still decently large compared to competitors.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
My guess is some cabin monuments are moved around creatively to allow 28 seats in A-zone, the full number of J seats. Following 2L/R is a complex of lav/closet/cart stowage units, then 3 rows of PE at 38" pitch, 3 rows of E+ at 34" pitch and the balance standard Y at 31" pitch.
Another Y sardine can, thanks to greedy airline executives. Long live the 763 and 764.....
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Another Y sardine can, thanks to greedy airline executives.
You blame the executives; I blame the passengers, who will put up with almost limitless discomfort to save money. If people weren't buying tickets, this trend would stop.
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Originally Posted by jsloan View Post
You blame the executives; I blame the passengers, who will put up with almost limitless discomfort to save money. If people weren't buying tickets, this trend would stop.
I was willing to move to AA when they had MRTC, but they got rid of it soon enough .... of course, I'm p;probably one of few who would be willing to pay for extra legroom.
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I was willing to move to AA when they had MRTC, but they got rid of it soon enough .... of course, I'm p;probably one of few who would be willing to pay for extra legroom.
Right, that's the problem. There is a small number of people who are willing to pay for space on an aircraft, but there aren't enough of us to fill the whole plane.
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788 going from almost a copy of 763 totals, to having Y within 10 of 772ER.
788 and 789 Y totals almost equal. 788 should be real low CASM, HNL-EWR/IAD?
I put together a table (below) of Polaris aircraft seats and totals along with a graph showing seats by class and total seats starting with lowest total seat aircraft.

My guesses on seats.
788:
Zone 1 - Polaris vs Diamond, between Zone 1 and 2 -8 seats
Zone 2 Minimum 1 Row J removed, 3 Rows PE (+18), only 3 Rows E+ (-36), Y (+25) 6 due to galley removal
Zone 3 +9, 1 Row added, pitch 32 to 31 (5 E+ remain)

789:
Zone 1 Polaris vs Diamond, between Zone 1 and 2 no change
Zone 2 J may take more room, add 21PE, convert 56 E+ seats to 49Y to allow Polaris and PE
Zone 3 +9, 1 Row added, pitch 32 to 31 (5 E+ remain)

764: Add 18 PE, Lose 4J and 21E+/Y Total -8 seats
Zone 1 Lose 4 Polaris vs. Diamond
Zone 2 Add 18 PE, drop E+ to 34 from 35 inches. Probably convert 4 E+ rows to Y for PE spacing
Zone 3 No change already at 31 inch pitch
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28 View Post
787-8/9 Polaris/premium configurations will be:

788: 28/21/194 (removal of galley at door 3)
789: 48/21/188 (some lav & galley changes in aft cabin)
The 789 config is leaving money on the table - should have more Polaris than they have today for SFO-SIN missions.
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