Vdb then diverted and cancelled on next flight with AS. Refund due?
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Vdb then diverted and cancelled on next flight with AS. Refund due?
Sorry this one is kinda complicated
vdb in anchorage bc of overbooking, United puts me on AS to ord connecting to ua back to Jax. AS flight is diverted to msp and then promptly cancelled due to crew time out. Ua jax flight is also cancelled due to weather.
Do I need to claim a refund? And if so from who? AS was booked y and ua in j as part of the deal.
I made other arrangements to get home to Jax on a flight out of msp on delta.
Also can I still claim ORC?
sitting at escape lounge in msp for next 6hrs
vdb in anchorage bc of overbooking, United puts me on AS to ord connecting to ua back to Jax. AS flight is diverted to msp and then promptly cancelled due to crew time out. Ua jax flight is also cancelled due to weather.
Do I need to claim a refund? And if so from who? AS was booked y and ua in j as part of the deal.
I made other arrangements to get home to Jax on a flight out of msp on delta.
Also can I still claim ORC?
sitting at escape lounge in msp for next 6hrs
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It was the responsibility of the operating carrier causing the cancellation to handle the reroute. That was AS. AS has interline ticketing agreements with both DL (in IRROPS) and AA and presumably would have rerouted OP. Ocne you use self-help, unless you do so with the permission of AS, you pretty much lose your claim.
Best situation here is to make certain that your AS ticket is cancelled and then seek a refund for the value of the UA ANC-JAX ticket. If you do that, there will not be any ORC. This may also take a lot of elbow grease to get done.
As others note, I would handle this through travel insurance and be done with it.
Best situation here is to make certain that your AS ticket is cancelled and then seek a refund for the value of the UA ANC-JAX ticket. If you do that, there will not be any ORC. This may also take a lot of elbow grease to get done.
As others note, I would handle this through travel insurance and be done with it.
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A lot of elbow grease. If AS marked the ticket as unused, UA could potentially pull it back and refund it, but I don't know if AS would actually do that. It should be possible to get a partial refund for the unused UA segment in any case, once UA understands that you misconnected due to IRROPS.
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Sorry this one is kinda complicated
vdb in anchorage bc of overbooking, United puts me on AS to ord connecting to ua back to Jax. AS flight is diverted to msp and then promptly cancelled due to crew time out. Ua jax flight is also cancelled due to weather.
Do I need to claim a refund? And if so from who? AS was booked y and ua in j as part of the deal.
I made other arrangements to get home to Jax on a flight out of msp on delta.
Also can I still claim ORC?
sitting at escape lounge in msp for next 6hrs
vdb in anchorage bc of overbooking, United puts me on AS to ord connecting to ua back to Jax. AS flight is diverted to msp and then promptly cancelled due to crew time out. Ua jax flight is also cancelled due to weather.
Do I need to claim a refund? And if so from who? AS was booked y and ua in j as part of the deal.
I made other arrangements to get home to Jax on a flight out of msp on delta.
Also can I still claim ORC?
sitting at escape lounge in msp for next 6hrs
The way these things should be done - and I would try now, not later - is to tell the IRROPS carrier that "your recommendation is NOT reasonable, so I want a refund, and I'll find alternative arrangements which I will pay for myself" Absent this, you have abandoned a trip in the middle. UA will not refund to you (they only are required to reaccomindate you, but from ORD, not MSP), it is AS's job, and absent some discussion with AS where they cancel the reservation, getting the $$$ back will be possible, but will require some work.
The good thing going for you, is that AS tends to be more customer friendly. My guess is you will get further with them than you would have with AA or UA in a similar situation.g
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Sorry this one is kinda complicated
vdb in anchorage bc of overbooking, United puts me on AS to ord connecting to ua back to Jax. AS flight is diverted to msp and then promptly cancelled due to crew time out. Ua jax flight is also cancelled due to weather.
Do I need to claim a refund? And if so from who? AS was booked y and ua in j as part of the deal.
I made other arrangements to get home to Jax on a flight out of msp on delta.
Also can I still claim ORC?
sitting at escape lounge in msp for next 6hrs
vdb in anchorage bc of overbooking, United puts me on AS to ord connecting to ua back to Jax. AS flight is diverted to msp and then promptly cancelled due to crew time out. Ua jax flight is also cancelled due to weather.
Do I need to claim a refund? And if so from who? AS was booked y and ua in j as part of the deal.
I made other arrangements to get home to Jax on a flight out of msp on delta.
Also can I still claim ORC?
sitting at escape lounge in msp for next 6hrs
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As others have noted, you made a complex situation more complex. UA sent your ticket over to AS. The VDB is over at that point, you now have the VDB comp you got + a ticket on AS/UA. UA does not have control over the ticket, until you get to them at ORD, and to the extent that you are late, it is AS's job to get you to JAX, NOT UA's. That UA's flight is also CXed is irrelevent, you were not going to make that flight. Since you are in the AS portion of the trip, AS will either need to (a) cancel it, allowing a rebate, or (b) make alternative arrangements to get you to JAX, since it is THEIR issue, not UA's that interrupted the trip.
The way these things should be done - and I would try now, not later - is to tell the IRROPS carrier that "your recommendation is NOT reasonable, so I want a refund, and I'll find alternative arrangements which I will pay for myself" Absent this, you have abandoned a trip in the middle. UA will not refund to you (they only are required to reaccomindate you, but from ORD, not MSP), it is AS's job, and absent some discussion with AS where they cancel the reservation, getting the $$$ back will be possible, but will require some work.
The good thing going for you, is that AS tends to be more customer friendly. My guess is you will get further with them than you would have with AA or UA in a similar situation.g
The way these things should be done - and I would try now, not later - is to tell the IRROPS carrier that "your recommendation is NOT reasonable, so I want a refund, and I'll find alternative arrangements which I will pay for myself" Absent this, you have abandoned a trip in the middle. UA will not refund to you (they only are required to reaccomindate you, but from ORD, not MSP), it is AS's job, and absent some discussion with AS where they cancel the reservation, getting the $$$ back will be possible, but will require some work.
The good thing going for you, is that AS tends to be more customer friendly. My guess is you will get further with them than you would have with AA or UA in a similar situation.g
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The way these things should be done - and I would try now, not later - is to tell the IRROPS carrier that "your recommendation is NOT reasonable, so I want a refund, and I'll find alternative arrangements which I will pay for myself" Absent this, you have abandoned a trip in the middle. UA will not refund to you (they only are required to reaccomindate you, but from ORD, not MSP), it is AS's job, and absent some discussion with AS where they cancel the reservation, getting the $$$ back will be possible, but will require some work.
If I were the OP, I definitely would have gone to AS for help. Even now, I'd go back to AS - call then or find an agent at MSP and find out if you've been re-booked, or how they might rebook you. Then go back to DL and try and refund your re-booked flight if the Alaska re-route works, or keep it if you think it doesn't, and DL will get you home better. DL may not refund - by DOT rules, they aren't required to since its less than 7 days prior to travel, but an explanation might do the trick. There's nothing to lose as Alaska must rebook anyway. You can always try and claim something from them if it doesn't work, though I don't know how that would work exactly given the situation.
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And I might just note that I feel OP's pain. He thought he had negotiated a good deal (VDB + UA in F on ORD-JAX) and it all went to crud. I personally find it frustrating flying an airline that I don't know the ropes on, but you really have to stick with the girl you took to the ball, absent a complete service failure, and then you need to document that, and hopefully get them in writing oking a rebate or refusing a reasonable accommodation. Having taken the VDB and AS routing, OP has to deal with AS.
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Ditto. Delta would have been the only direct option (if they fly it), and its possible that AS said they were flying in a new crew, would get them out - to ORD - the next day. Either way, one needs to have the airline (here AS) fail to give a reasonable accommodation before going to self-help.
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I don't disagree, nor do I think I suggested UA had anything to do with fixing the problem, that is AS's job now. Perhaps my reference to UA not having any roll until OP got to ORD and was on/going to next take their flight ORD-JAX was confusing. He is in MSP, and that is on AS, not UA, since he was rebooked on AS.
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update, got home around midnight sans checked bags which got stuck in ord which were on the flight i VDB on.
AS had no one in MSP to work the flight, they immediately cancelled the flight and said that they could arrange a bus (6hrs) or wait 10hrs after the crew was rested and try again for ORD (would depart MSP around 6-7pm)
I used my amex biz platinum when i bought the ticket they signed me up for freebird for free, some kind of free flight rebooking, they were constantly texting me and being proactive and saw my delays/misconnects/cancellations before i did and would find me options and i booked them as soon as the situation looked bad. all the msp flights bound for ORD had rolling 2+hour delays already in MSP so i would've missed UA ORD-JAX flight.
Freebird rebooked me ANC-ORD-JAX before ANC-IAH-JAX ever got cancelled so i beat everyone to plane before it overbooked. when ANC-IAH leg got cancelled it filled all the other UA flights from ANC. I was the only volunteer, gate agent arranged AS to chicago 1 hr later than the UA flight and wait in chicago for 6-7hrs for a 1st class seat ORD-JAX home and threw in meal vouchers. AS flight got diverted b/c fuel/thunderstorms. freebird rebooked me on DL/UA via IAH and i called united and requested a refund of the AS/UA combo and they said they would mail me a check/cert? not 100%.
in the end i was delayed about 12-13hours getting home, got 1500 cert, some meal vouchers and refund of my original ticket that was cancelled. I fly biz class to hawaii 1-2 times a year so this cert will cover one of those trips.
AS had no one in MSP to work the flight, they immediately cancelled the flight and said that they could arrange a bus (6hrs) or wait 10hrs after the crew was rested and try again for ORD (would depart MSP around 6-7pm)
I used my amex biz platinum when i bought the ticket they signed me up for freebird for free, some kind of free flight rebooking, they were constantly texting me and being proactive and saw my delays/misconnects/cancellations before i did and would find me options and i booked them as soon as the situation looked bad. all the msp flights bound for ORD had rolling 2+hour delays already in MSP so i would've missed UA ORD-JAX flight.
Freebird rebooked me ANC-ORD-JAX before ANC-IAH-JAX ever got cancelled so i beat everyone to plane before it overbooked. when ANC-IAH leg got cancelled it filled all the other UA flights from ANC. I was the only volunteer, gate agent arranged AS to chicago 1 hr later than the UA flight and wait in chicago for 6-7hrs for a 1st class seat ORD-JAX home and threw in meal vouchers. AS flight got diverted b/c fuel/thunderstorms. freebird rebooked me on DL/UA via IAH and i called united and requested a refund of the AS/UA combo and they said they would mail me a check/cert? not 100%.
in the end i was delayed about 12-13hours getting home, got 1500 cert, some meal vouchers and refund of my original ticket that was cancelled. I fly biz class to hawaii 1-2 times a year so this cert will cover one of those trips.
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Glad it all worked well in the end. It appears Freebird bailed you out of a difficult situation, especially with no AS ground crew in MSP to handle rebooking.