what's the deal with people in exit row who say "NO" when asked by UA flight attendan
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But going back to the subject of this thread, I usually sit in Exit Row seats and never experienced someone refusing to sit there. My wife had to translate one time for the person sitting next to her that he would have to move to another seat as he could not understand the FA's question. So, I'm surprised that somebody would experience refusals on 30% of the flights. Is that a special route where there's a language problem?
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Couple of months ago I was on an air NZ domestic 320 in row 20 (united first exit row, do not remember air NZ numbering). A older lady, (maybe 45 kg) comes in and struggles to put her suitcase above 21. The FA offers to help and was told "don't you touch my stuff". After her struggle with the carryon, she sits in 21?E. The FA very nicely replaces her in the exit row with a young guy that looked like a rugby player. The FA was proactive and deserved a compliment. Which I DID NOT do.
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There are lots of people who have anxiety when flying and many fliers on not frequent fliers. It's not surprising if one of those got placed in an exit row they would be intimated by being asked whether they were willing and able to assist in an emergency.
Also exit row seats are colder so someone may prefer not to sit there for comfort reasons.
Not UA specific, but on some airlines exit row seats don't recline at all, so someone may also decline to sit there as well.
Also exit row seats are colder so someone may prefer not to sit there for comfort reasons.
Not UA specific, but on some airlines exit row seats don't recline at all, so someone may also decline to sit there as well.
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(Writing as an Emergency Physician, Navy Flight Surgeon, Private Pilot and attendee of a MegaDO which included visiting a Flight Attendant Training Center and actually opening a window emergency exit. BTW, a window emergency exit weighs 30-40 pounds and contrary to the images on the placards and emergency information cards it’s hard to imagine anyone other than The Incredible Hulk opening one and then lifting and moving it with outstretched arms. During the MegaDO we were shown how to do it by leaning into it with one shoulder and then lifting it while holding it against that shoulder.
In addition to more legroom and seat in front not reclining into me, I choose an exit row window specifically because in an emergency I want to be the first one out. Although it’s debatable if a seat in the front or middle or back is safest during a crash, it’s not debatable that few people have ever been pulled out of a crashed aircraft, almost all survivors get out by themselves. And you want to get out of the plane ASAP before a fire spreads and/or melting plastic creates highly toxic fumes.)
I’ve had very different experiences. I always chose an exit row window seat, more aft row if 2 adjacent exit rows. I’ve never seen anyone say “no” despite several people who SHOULD have said no. Several times I got up near the end of boarding to alert a FA or Purser to an exit row passenger who clearly would not be able to assist. One was a morbidly obese approximately 30 year old male who needed significant time to wedge himself into the fixed armrests middle seat and then even more time to push himself out of the seat and who never once had his seatbelt fastened during a LAX-EWR flight. One was an approximately 80 year old male who was unable to put his medium sized carry-on in the overhead compartment himself. Two were an elderly couple seated in aisle seats across from each other who barely spoke English. They all said “yes”, even the couple. The couple saw everyone else saying “yes”, they said “yes”.
On some of those occasions the FA I spoke with walked by, not once was anyone moved to another seat.
In addition to more legroom and seat in front not reclining into me, I choose an exit row window specifically because in an emergency I want to be the first one out. Although it’s debatable if a seat in the front or middle or back is safest during a crash, it’s not debatable that few people have ever been pulled out of a crashed aircraft, almost all survivors get out by themselves. And you want to get out of the plane ASAP before a fire spreads and/or melting plastic creates highly toxic fumes.)
I’ve had very different experiences. I always chose an exit row window seat, more aft row if 2 adjacent exit rows. I’ve never seen anyone say “no” despite several people who SHOULD have said no. Several times I got up near the end of boarding to alert a FA or Purser to an exit row passenger who clearly would not be able to assist. One was a morbidly obese approximately 30 year old male who needed significant time to wedge himself into the fixed armrests middle seat and then even more time to push himself out of the seat and who never once had his seatbelt fastened during a LAX-EWR flight. One was an approximately 80 year old male who was unable to put his medium sized carry-on in the overhead compartment himself. Two were an elderly couple seated in aisle seats across from each other who barely spoke English. They all said “yes”, even the couple. The couple saw everyone else saying “yes”, they said “yes”.
On some of those occasions the FA I spoke with walked by, not once was anyone moved to another seat.
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Ha, a few months ago, the FA asks a lady in 21B if she's willing and able. The lady seems confused and says she is not comfortable handling the exit row responsibilities. The guy next to me and I (in 21EF) notice this interaction and he tells me that he's actually traveling with her and this is her first time on a plane in 10 years. They're all non-revs which is why they are all separated and in middle seats but at least in the exit row. Anyways, the FA tells her that if she's not willing/able, she'll have to move and offers her 19B. The lady asks if the seat is the same and the FA says that the seat in front does not recline. The lady says she doesnt want to move and prefers to stay. The FA reiterates that she needs a "verbal yes" that she's willing and able. The lady is still confused and after some back and forth she finally actually says the word "yes" and the FA seems satisfied and moves on.
I've also noticed many times the person next to me in the exit row will have their children in the row behind and the FA won't have any issue with it. It is very obvious because the FA will usually be helping them get organized as the parent is distracted trying to keep the children under control.
I've also noticed many times the person next to me in the exit row will have their children in the row behind and the FA won't have any issue with it. It is very obvious because the FA will usually be helping them get organized as the parent is distracted trying to keep the children under control.
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I've always thought it would be interesting if there were such a thing as an exit-row safety certification. I know that would be wildly impractical to implement and it's not solving a problem that people think exists today. Still, I wouldn't mind having an opportunity to practice opening an exit, laying it correctly across the seats if it's not attached, and getting off a wing.
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I experienced this just recently on a EW flight BUD-DUS (A320). There was a young woman sitting alone in the exit row who seemed eager to get out of there. After boarding was completed, a FA asked other passengers if anybody was willing to change. Maybe she was just seperated from her family/partner. Needless to say, there were sufficient volunteers pretty quickly.
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This is too much overthinking. While OP may have noticed an uptick, I have not. That makes as a sample size of 2 out of UA's 158 Million customers. My guess is that OP's experience is a simple statistical anomaly.
The reasons people do things are opaque and it's impossible on an individualized basis to figure it out. Some people are just difficult. The same guy who says "no" might well have a fit if told he had to move.
The reasons people do things are opaque and it's impossible on an individualized basis to figure it out. Some people are just difficult. The same guy who says "no" might well have a fit if told he had to move.
I too, in 3+ million miles of flying, have never seen anyone turn down an exit row (and I always choose the exit rows when flying in Y). I've seen multiple pax ejected from the exit rows for various reasons.
Speaking of statistical anomalies:
I had a friend who won the lottery twice in 5 years for a total of about 32 million cash-out. Yet I've never bought a lottery ticket because I know the odds. I remember him giving me his logic for playing saying, "Well, somebody has to win and it could be me."--I call the lottery system, "the tax on the stupid".
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I don't recall ever seeing anyone say they were unwilling to help in case of an emergency but had the opposite case about 25 years ago.
I think I was on a TATL flight on TWA when the FA came up and gave the spiel. The older couple seated in the exit row look confused and shrug so the FA repeats the question. Again, the couple look confused and shrug then a younger woman comes up, apparently their daughter, and tells the FA they don't speak English but they're fine. The FA says they're not fine if they don't understand English because they won't understand instructions in case of an emergency.
At this point, daughter keeps arguing with the FA but the FA ignores her and looks around for people to switch seats, gets a couple volunteers, and directs the couple to move with hand gestures, all the while staying composed and professional.
I am always thankful for FAs that do their job like this one, especially when having to endure harangues from self-entitled passengers.
I think I was on a TATL flight on TWA when the FA came up and gave the spiel. The older couple seated in the exit row look confused and shrug so the FA repeats the question. Again, the couple look confused and shrug then a younger woman comes up, apparently their daughter, and tells the FA they don't speak English but they're fine. The FA says they're not fine if they don't understand English because they won't understand instructions in case of an emergency.
At this point, daughter keeps arguing with the FA but the FA ignores her and looks around for people to switch seats, gets a couple volunteers, and directs the couple to move with hand gestures, all the while staying composed and professional.
I am always thankful for FAs that do their job like this one, especially when having to endure harangues from self-entitled passengers.
Me: Second exit row window seat A320
Seatmates: Older couple of what appeared to be of Indian descent in the aisle and middle seats
First exit row in front of me: Appears to be the son, wife and lap child
F/A does the exit row briefing with my row first where I acknowledge with a "yes" and there are blank stares from my seatmates.
F/A repeats her question to my seatmates where the apparent son turns around from the row in front and speak to the couple in what could have been Hindi and the next thing that it heard from the couples' mouths is the word "yes"
F/A was having none of that and point blank asked the couple if they understood "sufficient english" [F/A's words] to assist in an emergency where the apparent son said the same thing to the couple where they again responded with the word "yes"
That was it for the F/A who told the couple that they were going to be re-seated-and of course she was met with blank stares so she turned to the apparent son and instructed him to translate. He was not happy and was about to start an argument but the F/A nipped that in the bud and then said to him that if the woman sitting next to him with the lap child was his wife, she was also going to be re-seated as lap children are not permitted in the exit row.
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Hmmm..... I like it.
I don't think its impractical at all.... I kind of have this vision of CPR or AED certification classes, internet videos, short test, etc. It is the actual door removal that would be tougher to duplicate.
Absolutely more bugs to work out but it would be priceless if it came to fruition.
I don't think its impractical at all.... I kind of have this vision of CPR or AED certification classes, internet videos, short test, etc. It is the actual door removal that would be tougher to duplicate.
Absolutely more bugs to work out but it would be priceless if it came to fruition.
DL has been running a "road warrior training" course (IIRC for about $100, but I haven't seen the price recently) at their ATL FA training center. Some of us did a version of this as part of two big DOs, where the advanced version included a water evacuation. I've actually opened the door on every mainline DL aircraft type, so I know exactly what's involved in exit row seat responsibilities.
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Anecdote: My BF absolutely loves window seats.
And absolutely will never, ever, book an exit row.
When I asked him why, he said "I don't want to be that responsible when the plane crashes."
Yes, I love my illogical, eccentric BF.
But I wouldn't put it past him if, when he's traveling solo and only exit row seats were available, he wouldn't select a seat, and if then assigned into an exit row by the GA, he'd say "NO" when asked if willing and able.
P.S. When I book for the two of us, I can't tell you the number of times I've had to pass up 7AB or 8AB on a 757. Sigh.
And absolutely will never, ever, book an exit row.
When I asked him why, he said "I don't want to be that responsible when the plane crashes."
Yes, I love my illogical, eccentric BF.
But I wouldn't put it past him if, when he's traveling solo and only exit row seats were available, he wouldn't select a seat, and if then assigned into an exit row by the GA, he'd say "NO" when asked if willing and able.
P.S. When I book for the two of us, I can't tell you the number of times I've had to pass up 7AB or 8AB on a 757. Sigh.
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Used to fly lots of exit row, and never saw anyone refuse.
I've seen lots of pilots/crew fly in exit row and people request to be moved to empty exit rows seats.
Could be like a KTN where you get free exit row seating on any airline as long as your certification is up to date.
I've seen lots of pilots/crew fly in exit row and people request to be moved to empty exit rows seats.
Could be like a KTN where you get free exit row seating on any airline as long as your certification is up to date.