Jul 6, 2019, 9:31 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Update 2017: United p.s. is now called Transcontinental Service. This service is available on flights between EWR<>LAX, EWR<>SFO, and BOS<>SFO.
Cross Country Comfort: Introducing United Airlines’ New Transcontinental Service
The first PS flights to/from EWR started 25 Oct 2015
E+ passengers -- hot meals and drinks included
Aircraft 757-200
Original config 28 lieflat BF / 42 E+ / 72 E-
Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on a 757-200 (pmUA Domestic and p.s.)
Re-purposed TATL config 16 lieflat BF / 45 E+ / 108 E-
Consolidated "Seats on International 757"
other lie-flat aircraft will be used on the route, such as
Everything You Wanted to Know About Where to Sit on 777-200 HD (28BF,102E+,234E-)
Everything you want to know about where to sit on the 787-10
FAQs
Are all flights on these routes lie-flat, etc?
Yes -- all non-stop flights from SFO/LAX to/from EWR and SFO<>BOS are configured as such regardless of aircraft used. All scheduled aircraft have a lie-flat premium cabin.
Are these CPU-eligible flights?
No -- no CPU on these flights. It will take RPU/GPU/mileage+copays to upgrade. Generally, these are "hard" upgrades.
Are TODs / Cash upgrades offered?
Yes, $298 cash OW upgrades are regularly offered.
Archive: Premium Transcon Service SFO-EWR/BOS, LAX-EWR flights-Questions&Experiences {Archive}
Cross Country Comfort: Introducing United Airlines’ New Transcontinental Service
Originally Posted by United POLARIS FAQ
How does the switch to United Polaris affect United p.s.® Premium Service transcontinental flights?
On December 1, 2016, BusinessFirst service on p.s. transcontinental routes became United Business®, and now features our custom Saks Fifth Avenue pillow and duvet. Previous p.s. features did not change other than the new bedding.
On December 1, 2016, BusinessFirst service on p.s. transcontinental routes became United Business®, and now features our custom Saks Fifth Avenue pillow and duvet. Previous p.s. features did not change other than the new bedding.
United offers transcontinental travelers the features and comfort of long-haul international flights. Customers enjoy modern aircraft interiors with all-new seats, inflight Wi-Fi, free personal on-demand entertainment at every seat, in-seat power and USB ports.
United also provides:
* Premier Access check-in, security screening, boarding and baggage handling;
* United Club access;
* up to 6 feet, 4 inches of sleeping space in a 180-degree flat-bed seat; and
* pre-departure beverages, hot towel service, multi-course meals and a pre-arrival snack.
United also provides:
* Premier Access check-in, security screening, boarding and baggage handling;
* United Club access;
* up to 6 feet, 4 inches of sleeping space in a 180-degree flat-bed seat; and
* pre-departure beverages, hot towel service, multi-course meals and a pre-arrival snack.
Travelers in Economy Plus on our premium transcontinental flights now enjoy more than just extra legroom — they’ll also receive a complimentary hot entrée, fruit and dessert, as well as their choice of free alcoholic beverages, including our featured cocktail and more.
Original config 28 lieflat BF / 42 E+ / 72 E-
Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on a 757-200 (pmUA Domestic and p.s.)
Re-purposed TATL config 16 lieflat BF / 45 E+ / 108 E-
Consolidated "Seats on International 757"
other lie-flat aircraft will be used on the route, such as
Everything You Wanted to Know About Where to Sit on 777-200 HD (28BF,102E+,234E-)
Everything you want to know about where to sit on the 787-10
FAQs
Are all flights on these routes lie-flat, etc?
Yes -- all non-stop flights from SFO/LAX to/from EWR and SFO<>BOS are configured as such regardless of aircraft used. All scheduled aircraft have a lie-flat premium cabin.
Are these CPU-eligible flights?
No -- no CPU on these flights. It will take RPU/GPU/mileage+copays to upgrade. Generally, these are "hard" upgrades.
Are TODs / Cash upgrades offered?
Yes, $298 cash OW upgrades are regularly offered.
Archive: Premium Transcon Service SFO-EWR/BOS, LAX-EWR flights-Questions&Experiences {Archive}
Premium Transcon Service SFO-EWR/BOS, LAX-EWR flights-Questions&Experiences {Archive}
Jan 20, 2016, 11:20 am
#271
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i can't recall a time where it ever dropped under 5 ex-JFK, even on saturdays. 703, 233 and 535 all flew 7x weekly in the final 'era' of the service, and those are just the flight numbers i remember.
i'm kicking myself for not saving a timetable before the JFK closure.
i'm kicking myself for not saving a timetable before the JFK closure.
There was/is some seasonality, so Oct numbers may not be directly comparable.
Jan 20, 2016, 11:28 am
#272
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There was much discussion of this in the original thread, such as http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25085415-post1050.html
There was/is some seasonality, so Oct numbers may not be directly comparable.
There was/is some seasonality, so Oct numbers may not be directly comparable.
Jan 20, 2016, 12:56 pm
#273
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On January 23rd, 2015, a Friday, there was 10x SFO-EWR (4x 739, 2x 738, 1x 752 intl, 1x A320, and 2x A319) and 7x SFO-JFK.
Edit: For LAX on Thursday 1/23/15, there was 10x EWR (1x 753, 3x 739, 3x 752 intl., 2x A320, and 1x A319) and 6x JFK.
Edit: For LAX on Thursday 1/23/15, there was 10x EWR (1x 753, 3x 739, 3x 752 intl., 2x A320, and 1x A319) and 6x JFK.
Last edited by minnyfly; Jan 20, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Jan 20, 2016, 2:09 pm
#274
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How does my post asking for your historical perspective (you seem to have some experience with this route) indicate denial of anything?
I did think your blanket statement saying "UA is down to 7 flights per day LAX-NYC" was somewhat alarmist though, when on 26 out of 30 days there are 10 or more flights.
note: I am not an investor in airline stocks.
Jan 20, 2016, 2:22 pm
#275
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Unilateral capacity cuts on a major domestic route combined with fare pressure from competitors is not the kind of thing investors in UA would like at all. If their competitors were not filling in the capacity that would be one thing but Delta has added capacity as has B6 and VX to/from JFK and Mint fares have squeezed yields. Hardly the secret sauce for UA's success. With Mint coming soon to BOS, UA has further price pressures to deal with there. UA's former transcon dominance slowly eroded and will continue to do so if they keep ceding market share.
Jan 20, 2016, 2:25 pm
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As a customer of UA and a consumer generally, though that "capacity discipline"/monopoly leverage is unfavorable to me, I fully understand its financial virtue. That understanding does not, however, extend to excusing what several of us see as UA's intentionally deceptive characterization of the frequency and capacity impact of the p.s. transfer to EWR and the closure of the JFK station. Taking 21 departures to 17 with the tradeoffs to all flatbeds is one thing. Having most days cut down to 11 or fewer departures is quite another.
Jan 20, 2016, 2:31 pm
#277
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* Or even better, YYZ-SFO for $640 RT. YYZ-EWR-SFO Lie-Flat $640
Jan 20, 2016, 2:47 pm
#278
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Additionally, UA is now selling some percentage of those premium ps seats very cheaply on connecting itineraries (with SFO-SJU, where there's been a sub-$1000 fare, as the classic example).* That's hardly drawing premium yield from what's supposed to be your premium product.
* Or even better, YYZ-SFO for $640 RT. YYZ-EWR-SFO Lie-Flat $640
* Or even better, YYZ-SFO for $640 RT. YYZ-EWR-SFO Lie-Flat $640
Jan 20, 2016, 5:09 pm
#279
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http://apps.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummar.../src/index.xml
Jan 20, 2016, 6:50 pm
#280
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First, let's look at AA and DL this Friday...
AA: 10x to LAX
DL: 7x
UA: 11x
UA has more frequency than either.
Look ahead to the summer
UA: 15x a day to LAX
AA: 13x
DL: 10x
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...umFlight=&FLN=
Yes, UA is running 50% more flights than Delta to the most competitive West Coast market.
On the 'low yield' fares folks Mint is hitting everyone.
It's not just UA by any stretch.
AA has much wider availability of those $1,198 roundtrip fares ($599 each way) - more flights on more days with them.
DL has them too - less common as they don't fly any planes with lopsided premium cabin density.
What UA is ceding is the low yield coach market with a massive reduction in coach seats, an elimination of non lie flat first class, and a net increase in truly premium lie flat seats.
AA: 10x to LAX
DL: 7x
UA: 11x
UA has more frequency than either.
Look ahead to the summer
UA: 15x a day to LAX
AA: 13x
DL: 10x
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...umFlight=&FLN=
Yes, UA is running 50% more flights than Delta to the most competitive West Coast market.
On the 'low yield' fares folks Mint is hitting everyone.
It's not just UA by any stretch.
AA has much wider availability of those $1,198 roundtrip fares ($599 each way) - more flights on more days with them.
DL has them too - less common as they don't fly any planes with lopsided premium cabin density.
What UA is ceding is the low yield coach market with a massive reduction in coach seats, an elimination of non lie flat first class, and a net increase in truly premium lie flat seats.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jan 20, 2016 at 8:03 pm Reason: unneeded / snarky comment removed
Jan 20, 2016, 7:45 pm
#281
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Even non-connecting, there are $600 one-way P fares available if you book far enough in advance. I booked them a few weeks ago both ways EWR-SFO in late June. Just looked on those same days now and there's still a bunch available, although the most popular times of day only have $1500 or $2500 fares.
DL and B6 are the only two that consistently offer ~$600 each way without purchase of a RT.
Jan 20, 2016, 8:03 pm
#282
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Jan 20, 2016, 8:29 pm
#283
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Jan 20, 2016, 8:31 pm
#284
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Jan 20, 2016, 8:32 pm
#285
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Looking at EWR-LAX RT in April, and I spotted the sUA 772 they will be flying on the route (5 PM out to LAX, and 7 AM flight back the next day). On the website, though, I can't seem to be able to select any GF seats - 'First' shows up as United Business (not BF) as a P fare.
Perhaps you have to search the specific fare bucket to get it to show up? That's the only way that I could find a GF seat to pull in as United First (which was coming in at $2,850 v. $600 for BF...no thanks!).
Perhaps you have to search the specific fare bucket to get it to show up? That's the only way that I could find a GF seat to pull in as United First (which was coming in at $2,850 v. $600 for BF...no thanks!).