Watering down SDC for a credit card benefit
#16
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 350
Bad Bad Bad. This GS isn't renewing next year due to these terrible trends at United.
SDC seems to be going to literal same day. The app is showing that, this flyer emphasizes
What's with a 30k saver domestic award? ... totally not worth it.
I'm glad that I at least feel the savings of only spending $15k this year instead of $45k. United saved a few bucks on me in costs, but lost $30k of premium fare revenue (but they did get 3x US-Asia tickets at $450 each, versus last year when I spent $5k/ticket)
SDC seems to be going to literal same day. The app is showing that, this flyer emphasizes
What's with a 30k saver domestic award? ... totally not worth it.
I'm glad that I at least feel the savings of only spending $15k this year instead of $45k. United saved a few bucks on me in costs, but lost $30k of premium fare revenue (but they did get 3x US-Asia tickets at $450 each, versus last year when I spent $5k/ticket)
#17
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: San Francisco/Sydney
Programs: UA 1K/MM, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Something, IHG Gold, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 8,156
The wording for the SDC entry is simplified, and realistically all it's saying is that with this card option you'd get free SDC (rather than having to pay $75 for it, a figure it explicitly calls out). There is NOTHING here that even implies United has any plans to change their SDC rules. This benefit has been called "Same Day" change for years, but has allowed changes to the prior or next day ever since the merger - to read into a credit card description put together by some credit card marketing/research person that they are going to change it to truly be "same day" is beyond crazy...
The fact that UA is asking their customers what benefits they are interested in for a credit card is a good thing IMHO. Of course, change most likely means that some people will lose out - but at least they are looking for feedback.
#18
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Programs: AA ExPlat, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Spire, Hilton Gold
Posts: 4,009
Hope I'm wrong, but between this and something else I noticed a couple of weeks ago, which I don't want to get into here yet, I predict 2020 will be the last year of United's (full) PQD waivers for spending $25,000+ on United CCs and for members using a foreign address.
When does United traditionally announce program changes? Q3 or Q4?
When does United traditionally announce program changes? Q3 or Q4?
#19
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 350
WHAT trends? This is a survey for potential changes to a credit card that will almost certainly never exist as per the screenshot of that blog. The blogger who posted it almost certainly knows this, but thinks they can get more clicks by pushing it as a change. (FWIW, his post following this one is a 750 word piece on why airlines should allow gambling on-board)
The wording for the SDC entry is simplified, and realistically all it's saying is that with this card option you'd get free SDC (rather than having to pay $75 for it, a figure it explicitly calls out). There is NOTHING here that even implies United has any plans to change their SDC rules. This benefit has been called "Same Day" change for years, but has allowed changes to the prior or next day ever since the merger - to read into a credit card description put together by some credit card marketing/research person that they are going to change it to truly be "same day" is beyond crazy...
The fact that UA is asking their customers what benefits they are interested in for a credit card is a good thing IMHO. Of course, change most likely means that some people will lose out - but at least they are looking for feedback.
The wording for the SDC entry is simplified, and realistically all it's saying is that with this card option you'd get free SDC (rather than having to pay $75 for it, a figure it explicitly calls out). There is NOTHING here that even implies United has any plans to change their SDC rules. This benefit has been called "Same Day" change for years, but has allowed changes to the prior or next day ever since the merger - to read into a credit card description put together by some credit card marketing/research person that they are going to change it to truly be "same day" is beyond crazy...
The fact that UA is asking their customers what benefits they are interested in for a credit card is a good thing IMHO. Of course, change most likely means that some people will lose out - but at least they are looking for feedback.
F/J meals: pathetic - has gone downhill so much. I just can't get myself to fork over $5k for the disgusting J food
T conversion - now restricted to myself or if I travel. Well, I used to use my miles to send my mom and brother on trips and it required T-->XN-->PN. Now that they've done away with it, my tickets have gone from J/C/D/Z/P-->W-->PN or J/C/D/Z/P-->G. The T-->XN was probably the biggest factor in me deciding not re-qualify for GS next year.
Phone wait time: 12 mos ago, it was never more than 15 seconds. Lately, every call has been 1-3 mins. When you're running through an airport and trying to get things done quickly, that time is precious
I could go on, but if you don't see the trends, then I'm afraid you might need some glasses.
#20
Join Date: Apr 2014
Programs: DL Gold, UA nothing (ex-GS), Marriott lifetime Plat, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 920
If you haven’t complained to Global Services and Web Support about the app change, I’d encourage you to do so.
#21
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 350
I'm pretty sure they don't care what I think. By this time last year, I had spent $30k. This year I've spent $14k with only $1k more booked for the rest of the year (and all my travel remainder of the year is likely G fares). If they don't care about the dramatic decrease in revenue, they certainly don't care what I think about the app.
#22
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Programs: AA ExPlat, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Spire, Hilton Gold
Posts: 4,009
I'm pretty sure they don't care what I think. By this time last year, I had spent $30k. This year I've spent $14k with only $1k more booked for the rest of the year (and all my travel remainder of the year is likely G fares). If they don't care about the dramatic decrease in revenue, they certainly don't care what I think about the app.
#23
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Location: Pacific Northwest
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I'm pretty sure they don't care what I think. By this time last year, I had spent $30k. This year I've spent $14k with only $1k more booked for the rest of the year (and all my travel remainder of the year is likely G fares). If they don't care about the dramatic decrease in revenue, they certainly don't care what I think about the app.
I am not a SDC expert or frequent user, but I would suspect a bug is more likely the cause than a secret change of policy (Hanlon’s Razor).
#24
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: San Francisco/Sydney
Programs: UA 1K/MM, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Something, IHG Gold, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 8,156
Given that the app is allowing SDC of CPU'ed flights directly into first (rather than economy as it used to/should do), I'd be fairly certain the issues with the app and SDC are indeed unintended.
#25
Join Date: Apr 2014
Programs: DL Gold, UA nothing (ex-GS), Marriott lifetime Plat, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 920
I submitted a complaint via https://www.united.com/web/en-us/con...lt.aspx?POS=US and encourage others to do so as well.
#26
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 21,400
If agents are allowing people to keep CPUs via SDC, that's a new change, and not one I welcome at all. It's bad enough that the app does it.
#27
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,116
#28
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: BDL/NYC/BOS
Programs: UA/*A Gold, Global Entry, Marriott Plat, Hilton+IHG Gold, Hertz PC, DL
Posts: 1,752
isn’t free unlimited SDC consistently voted as the best MP feature in the annual FT member survey?
i might not requalify as gold next year because of a job change. i would certainly switch my MP explorer card to this card if i become a general member; i use SDC on the majority of my trips.
i might not requalify as gold next year because of a job change. i would certainly switch my MP explorer card to this card if i become a general member; i use SDC on the majority of my trips.
#29
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Location: MSP
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#30
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 21,400
Precisely. You jump ahead of everyone else on the CPU list, regardless of your status.
In theory, it would also make it possible to do things like SDC LAX-ORD-DCA, with a CPU on both segments, to LAX-EWR-DCA. If I were hanging out on the LAX-EWR upgrade list with an RPU applied, I'd be none too happy about that.
In theory, it would also make it possible to do things like SDC LAX-ORD-DCA, with a CPU on both segments, to LAX-EWR-DCA. If I were hanging out on the LAX-EWR upgrade list with an RPU applied, I'd be none too happy about that.