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Old Jun 29, 2019, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by buckeyefanflyer
Why did the flight not go back to LGA instead of causing a mess at EWR which is a large hub. Many delays and cancellations at EWR.
That decision is the pilot's decision and some inconvenience is secondary to the safety of the passengers / crew of the distressed aircraft. Not even a close call IMO.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by buckeyefanflyer
Why did the flight not go back to LGA instead of causing a mess at EWR which is a large hub. Many delays and cancellations at EWR.
I read the flight lost 2 of 3 hydraulic systems so needed the long runways at EWR since the 3rd system is a one off accumulator based system. They also believed they might have had fire issues in the left bogey but it is not clear when that occurred pre or post landing.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Don't FAs yell brace in an emergency landing? At the very least, passengers should have been told to raise seats backs, put away tray tables, and fasten seat belts tight. FAs should also have tried to pick up breakable service items and secure carts, etc. to the extent that there was time to do so.
Wow. Seriously?
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Nonny
Wow. Seriously?
Yeah. Haven't you seen the Sulley movie? Or some of the air crash videos on the weather channel?
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
PHL-JFK, about 90 miles, doesn't go so high. (It's traditionally scheduled for about an hour and usually reaches about 5,000 feet.)
Every recent flight from PHL-JFK on FlightAware has this route at a minimum of 12,000'. It's a great flight.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Yeah. Haven't you seen the Sulley movie? Or some of the air crash videos on the weather channel?
I'm referring to the fact that this bird took off at LGA and landed 20 minutes later at EWR due to an emergency and you stating they should've picked up breakable service items. As has been mentioned, the FAs most likely never left their jumps as the plane never crossed 10,000'. There certainly wasn't any cabin service on this flight. I commend the pilots for focusing on the situation at hand.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by PTahCha
Boeing models can actually dump fuel, when warranted and is appropriate.. Burning off fuel is what you are describing, which is distinctively different from dumping fuel.
Generally speaking, it is the widebody aircraft that have fuel jettison systems. Most narrowbody airplanes do not. (B727 and DC8 are the only two narrowbodies with fuel jettison that I can think of). The 767s I flew at a previous airline did not have the fuel jettison system, either.

You can land any airplane overweight. If you have system malfunctions which make extending the flight to burn off fuel unsafe, you land overweight.

Originally Posted by buckeyefanflyer
Why did the flight not go back to LGA instead of causing a mess at EWR which is a large hub.

Runway length. That's a pretty standard part of the briefing for a departure from LGA. Either JFK or EWR if failure necessitates a return.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 8:05 pm
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I think it’s telling that folks ignore the first report in this thread that commended UA and EWR personnel and hang on a report from a passenger who wasn’t aware they had landed. Good times, FT, good times.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 8:36 pm
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After looking at the damage to this plane's landing gear, those people should be very lucky. It's one thing to be flying with 2 out of 3 hydraulic systems failing, it's another to destroy metal like that on landing. UA is incredibly lucky for having 2 major mishaps at EWR in the last few weeks with no injuries.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Weatherboy
After looking at the damage to this plane's landing gear, those people should be very lucky. It's one thing to be flying with 2 out of 3 hydraulic systems failing, it's another to destroy metal like that on landing. UA is incredibly lucky for having 2 major mishaps at EWR in the last few weeks with no injuries.
wowza. I would be happy to be home today even if on a delayed flight YMMV
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 10:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Weatherboy
After looking at the damage to this plane's landing gear, those people should be very lucky. It's one thing to be flying with 2 out of 3 hydraulic systems failing, it's another to destroy metal like that on landing. UA is incredibly lucky for having 2 major mishaps at EWR in the last few weeks with no injuries.
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wowza. I would be happy to be home today even if on a delayed flight YMMV
Hope this serves as a friendly reminder to all who fly and the need to remain aware/be observant when when a plane lands: Recall that safety video and/or demonstration just after we left the gate? This _is_ one of those times that you'll need to know how to get out a plane by the nearest exit.

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Old Jun 29, 2019, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
PHL-JFK, about 90 miles, doesn't go so high. (It's traditionally scheduled for about an hour and usually reaches about 5,000 feet.)
Originally Posted by Uncle Nonny
Every recent flight from PHL-JFK on FlightAware has this route at a minimum of 12,000'. It's a great flight.
Ditto to @Uncle Nonny's post - AA, DL and B6 flights on PHL-JFK show altitudes of 13,000 to 20,000'. Similarly, SFO-SMF, also around 86 nmi, has UAX aircraft flying at or above 12,000'.

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Old Jun 29, 2019, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by TominLazybrook
I did think the lack of effective communication was interesting or may have pointed to a more serious concern on this emergency than it turned out to be.
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Originally Posted by buckeyefanflyer
Why did the flight not go back to LGA instead of causing a mess at EWR which is a large hub.
"Causing a mess" doesn't (and shouldn't) even rate a minor consideration in an emergency.
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 11:20 pm
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Originally Posted by DELee
Ditto to @Uncle Nonny's post - AA, DL and B6 flights on PHL-JFK show altitudes of 13,000 to 20,000'. Similarly, SFO-SMF, also around 86 nmi, has UAX aircraft flying at or above 12,000'.

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you might want to check both directions
STS-SFO, typical flies at FL120,
but SFO-STS flies at FL50, a fun ride.
66 miles as the crow flies, but these flights are not straight line events
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Old Jun 29, 2019, 11:32 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
you might want to check both directions
STS-SFO, typical flies at FL120,
but SFO-STS flies at FL50, a fun ride.
66 miles as the crow flies, but these flights are not straight line events
Agreed - any flight path is driven by available runways, current wind and weather conditions, departure and approach traffic, vectors in and out of airports, etc. And, especially for LGA/JFK/EWR(/TEB), going out of one and in to another due to an emergency declaration has plenty of challenges.

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