No cabin lights on during daylight - why?
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No cabin lights on during daylight - why?
I flew economy on United 2109 from ATL to DEN, an RJ. It was broad daylight, mid-afternoon. I had a book (not ebook) to finish. As luck would have it, I was surrounded by passengers content w/ their shades down, either napping or using devices or watching seatback entertainment. The cabin in my area was VERY dim. I turned on my reading light, but it had a dim, yellowish light that was not adequate for my 67-yr-old eyes, even using my reading glasses. I asked a FA if some of the cabin lights could be turned on, since it was not night-time. After a long wait, the other FA stopped by & reached over to turn on my reading light. Of course, she found it already "ON." I asked her politely if some cabin lights could be turned on. She refused, something like "those lights are used only for boarding and then again to prepare for landing." Is this really a policy? Do the FAs really mean it when they say, " If there is anything we can do to make your flight more comfortable, please let us know?"
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.... I was surrounded by passengers content w/ their shades down, either napping or using devices or watching seatback entertainment. ....I asked her politely if some cabin lights could be turned on. She refused, something like "those lights are used only for boarding and then again to prepare for landing." Is this really a policy? ...
They have to balance what one might want and what many other may want.
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A United passenger culture about keeping the cabin dark even in the middle of the day has definitely evolved. I've had FAs ask in the middle of the day (literally 12 noon), to close my window shades. The conspiracy theorist in me says that the FAs think that somnolent passengers will have fewer requests and leave them with more free time in the galley.
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I think with more people on their phones / laptops / other devices, and fewer people reading books or papers, the trend has definitely shifted towards keeping the cabins darker.
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I'm currently trying to decide for next year whether I switch my principal flying to BA, foregoing E+ but gaining daylight so I can read, and avoiding 10 across in 777s.
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A United passenger culture about keeping the cabin dark even in the middle of the day has definitely evolved. I've had FAs ask in the middle of the day (literally 12 noon), to close my window shades. The conspiracy theorist in me says that the FAs think that somnolent passengers will have fewer requests and leave them with more free time in the galley.
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It's just not UA. AA is the same and I'm equally miffed about this. Every day flight the shades are always down and I don't why. I feel bad initially but keep mine all the way up. It's 2 PM folks!
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Absolutely agree! Airplanes are claustrophobic enough already and effectively eliminating windows only makes them worse. The direct sun argument is a non-starter, too. It can never affect both sides of the aircraft and no one minds if they're partially lowered to keep the sun from getting in someone's eyes.
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The exceptions are those F/J seats that have two lights beaming down from different angles.
Otherwise, most reading lights do not offer enough, or properly aimed, light to read by.
( And lets not get started on not being able to aim the lights properly...)
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Absolutely agree! Airplanes are claustrophobic enough already and effectively eliminating windows only makes them worse. The direct sun argument is a non-starter, too. It can never affect both sides of the aircraft and no one minds if they're partially lowered to keep the sun from getting in someone's eyes.
My personal favorite is when I've had the aisle person reach over to close it while I went to the bathroom (or even worse, when I close my eyes for 30 seconds but I'm not sleeping) - needless to say it went back up just as quick as it came down, and I didn't even get a look from the aisle person the rest of the flight.
Not to stereotype (since I am one) but I find the worst offenders are business travelers who insist on sitting in the aisle 99% of the time but then get mad when the window is open and try to ask you to close it or ask the FA. I'm sorry but no.. if you want control of the window, sit in the window seat.
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I don't know why, but it always feels like when someone near me as the shade open the sun lines up directly in my eyes. Even worse was a flight I had returning from ORD where I was getting sun reflection from a tablet from the other side of the plane.
Its almost feels like the person at the shade has a good balance, as their eyes are typically shaded from the direct light but it provides good ambient light.... but for those directly in the suns "firing line" it can be quite uncomfortable.
Its almost feels like the person at the shade has a good balance, as their eyes are typically shaded from the direct light but it provides good ambient light.... but for those directly in the suns "firing line" it can be quite uncomfortable.
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I also find the the reading lights to be effective but, then again, I spent years underground as a miner, so maybe I prefer dimmer light.
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No easy answer. It's like asking someone to swap seats. You can ask, but if the answer's "no" that's the end discussion. Sitting next to a window seat and can't see your laptop screen because the shade's up? Same answer. Also, one person's "daytime at arrival" may not be the same as yours.
On an Island Hopper trip last year, I booked a window seat and was actually taking pictures out the window when my seatmate asked me to close the shade. I politely pointed out that would make it difficult to take pictures. When there was nothing to shoot, I did lower the shade a little bit to cut down on light but still be able to see outside.
On an Island Hopper trip last year, I booked a window seat and was actually taking pictures out the window when my seatmate asked me to close the shade. I politely pointed out that would make it difficult to take pictures. When there was nothing to shoot, I did lower the shade a little bit to cut down on light but still be able to see outside.