UA153 DUB-ORD making tech stop (pilot timeout) at EWR 26 June 2019
Jun 26, 2019, 8:42 am
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UA153 DUB-ORD making tech stop (pilot timeout) at EWR 26 June 2019
Can anyone make sense of this? Flight is supposedly departing at 4:30pm (4hrs late) although app doesn’t reflect that, says we are stopping to change pilots in EWR and no passengers allowed off plane (although everyone would prefer to get off for connections at EWR), and then the app is now saying we have just a quick 30-min hop from EWR-ORD. What a mess! Zero coordination on all fronts.
Last edited by nycflyer222; Jun 26, 2019 at 9:11 am Reason: Clarification
Jun 26, 2019, 8:55 am
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For those who have not memorized the UA schedule, this is UA 153 DUB-ORD. Today, it is making a technical diversion to EWR to pick up crew so that it does not have to be cancelled at EWR.
CBP does not generally clear flights for alternate airports unless the flight terminates and there is an emergency situation which cannot otherwise be handled. If anyone is permitted to offload, that means clearing the entire flight and thus ORD passengers and luggage offloaded, cleared and reloaded. That extends the ground delay at EWR from the current 40 minutes to a good 2-3 hours at least.
I see the EWR-ORD hop as posted for 18:15 to 19:08 (1:53 flying time). Remember that ORD is Central Time.
Rather than complaining, I see this as UA going the extra mile to get passengers to ORD as scheduled & ticketed.
CBP does not generally clear flights for alternate airports unless the flight terminates and there is an emergency situation which cannot otherwise be handled. If anyone is permitted to offload, that means clearing the entire flight and thus ORD passengers and luggage offloaded, cleared and reloaded. That extends the ground delay at EWR from the current 40 minutes to a good 2-3 hours at least.
I see the EWR-ORD hop as posted for 18:15 to 19:08 (1:53 flying time). Remember that ORD is Central Time.
Rather than complaining, I see this as UA going the extra mile to get passengers to ORD as scheduled & ticketed.
Jun 26, 2019, 9:02 am
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DUB is a preclearance airport.
If I had to guess, I'd say that somebody ran the numbers and there were fewer EC.261 payouts if they continued the flight ASAP from EWR rather than giving people a chance to deplane and connect through EWR. Perhaps later flights were full. I highly doubt that "everyone" would rather get off of the plane at EWR. This is the least amount of delay possible for passengers terminating at ORD.
If I had to guess, I'd say that somebody ran the numbers and there were fewer EC.261 payouts if they continued the flight ASAP from EWR rather than giving people a chance to deplane and connect through EWR. Perhaps later flights were full. I highly doubt that "everyone" would rather get off of the plane at EWR. This is the least amount of delay possible for passengers terminating at ORD.
Jun 26, 2019, 9:04 am
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Seems like they are doing the swap rather than canceling the flight due to crew timeout. The bigger issue with letting pax off in EWR is keeping track of where they went and what to do with their bags. Generally speaking not worth the hassle.
Code:
0153/26JUN
F DUB/ETD 330P L03.05
P EWR/ETA 555P FLAG STOP-INTERM-ETD 615P PREVIOUS STOP DUB
P EWR/ETD 615P
P ORD/ETA 800P
D FCF/FSTOP EWR ENRT DUB-ORD A/FLIGHT DECK CREW
D HDQ/DUB ORD PROT UNDER GG CNL MMY
SKED DUB ORIG 1225P GTD USPC SHIP 3127
ORD 250P TERM GTA B14
Jun 26, 2019, 9:08 am
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The app is not up-to-date with those times...
Last edited by nycflyer222; Jun 26, 2019 at 9:09 am Reason: Adjustment
Jun 26, 2019, 9:11 am
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For those who have not memorized the UA schedule, this is UA 153 DUB-ORD. Today, it is making a technical diversion to EWR to pick up crew so that it does not have to be cancelled at EWR.
CBP does not generally clear flights for alternate airports unless the flight terminates and there is an emergency situation which cannot otherwise be handled. If anyone is permitted to offload, that means clearing the entire flight and thus ORD passengers and luggage offloaded, cleared and reloaded. That extends the ground delay at EWR from the current 40 minutes to a good 2-3 hours at least.
I see the EWR-ORD hop as posted for 18:15 to 19:08 (1:53 flying time). Remember that ORD is Central Time.
Rather than complaining, I see this as UA going the extra mile to get passengers to ORD as scheduled & ticketed.
CBP does not generally clear flights for alternate airports unless the flight terminates and there is an emergency situation which cannot otherwise be handled. If anyone is permitted to offload, that means clearing the entire flight and thus ORD passengers and luggage offloaded, cleared and reloaded. That extends the ground delay at EWR from the current 40 minutes to a good 2-3 hours at least.
I see the EWR-ORD hop as posted for 18:15 to 19:08 (1:53 flying time). Remember that ORD is Central Time.
Rather than complaining, I see this as UA going the extra mile to get passengers to ORD as scheduled & ticketed.
It would be great if the IRROPS handling could incorporate situations like this, but they happen so rarely that it's not surprising they want everyone to go to ORD and have the re-accommodations start from there.
Jun 26, 2019, 9:34 am
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With a four hour delay, most everyone's going to miss at ORD, so if I were in OP's shoes I would probably be questioning why they don't just let pax off at EWR, too. I can also appreciate that would create some real logistical issues for UA. So something of a no win here.
Jun 26, 2019, 9:50 am
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DUB is a preclearance airport.
If I had to guess, I'd say that somebody ran the numbers and there were fewer EC.261 payouts if they continued the flight ASAP from EWR rather than giving people a chance to deplane and connect through EWR. Perhaps later flights were full. I highly doubt that "everyone" would rather get off of the plane at EWR. This is the least amount of delay possible for passengers terminating at ORD.
If I had to guess, I'd say that somebody ran the numbers and there were fewer EC.261 payouts if they continued the flight ASAP from EWR rather than giving people a chance to deplane and connect through EWR. Perhaps later flights were full. I highly doubt that "everyone" would rather get off of the plane at EWR. This is the least amount of delay possible for passengers terminating at ORD.
But, as I understand the nuts & bolts of Pre-Clearance, the flight is still cleared to ORD. EWR means obtaining CBP permission as little sense as that makes.
Jun 26, 2019, 10:10 am
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Jun 26, 2019, 10:34 am
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Staffing for the 757/767 fleet is stretched thin, especially at EWR. The company is digging well into the reserve pool just to cover scheduled flying with limited contingencies. There's not a great deal of redundancy.
Jun 26, 2019, 10:53 am
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If the plane lets pax off at EWR, unless they all have no bags, all luggage needs to be unloaded for the ones terminating at EWR to claim their luggage. The rest then needs to be reloaded. While putting all pax through this extra 2-3 hour goat rodeo may seem worth it to the several pax who would prefer to deplane at EWR, it is likely to present a lot of pain to the rest -- a large number of who may not be connecting (either at EWR or ORD) and are simply terminating at ORD or who are ending their travels at a location that is served only from ORD and not from EWR..
Jun 26, 2019, 11:03 am
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Stage length is too long to legally complete the leg thus landing short and a crew swap to continue to intended destination.