Why does UA still run HNL-NRT?
May 10, 2019, 12:27 pm
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May 10, 2019, 2:36 pm
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May 10, 2019, 3:47 pm
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While a/c utilization is a reason to keep it around and not drop the flight for a more profitable route, if this route were a money loser UA would most likely keep the a/c on the ground in NRT overnight (assuming the parking costs are less than the loss on the route).
However, HNL-TYO is a very busy route with ~13 daily flights and more seats than LAX-HNL. I think you could fairly ask why DL and KE both fly this route as well and the simple answer is the route makes money and they have aircraft available for the flight.
However, HNL-TYO is a very busy route with ~13 daily flights and more seats than LAX-HNL. I think you could fairly ask why DL and KE both fly this route as well and the simple answer is the route makes money and they have aircraft available for the flight.
May 10, 2019, 3:49 pm
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Do not discount the amount of military traffic on this route. Remember that HNL doubles as a military base and the large amount of troops stationed in Japan dating to after WW2.UAL being the largest to the islands also helps due to connecting traffic. Likely not much from the mainland, since there are direct flights, but I have done it before.
Completely anecdotal, but I’ve met several stationed in Japan on this flight in the past, and the military likely contracts with a US carrier over a foreign one if the option exists.
Completely anecdotal, but I’ve met several stationed in Japan on this flight in the past, and the military likely contracts with a US carrier over a foreign one if the option exists.
May 10, 2019, 5:36 pm
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UA still runs this route because tourist visits in Hawaii set a new record of 10 million visitors last year, and I am pretty sure, after Americans, Japanese, and others from Asia are the second largest group of visitors.
Now that Southwest is flying to Hawaii, I see United has added capacity back...for example 772s are back on the schedule for OGG now, from SFO.
Now that Southwest is flying to Hawaii, I see United has added capacity back...for example 772s are back on the schedule for OGG now, from SFO.
May 10, 2019, 6:13 pm
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There is not necessarily any correlation between WN commencing service to Hawaii and UA changing aircraft on SFO-OGG. Aircraft assignments on the Hawaii routes have always been highly variable depending on season and demand. I flew the 772A SFO-OGG all the way back circa 2000.
May 10, 2019, 6:42 pm
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Hawaii is a massive destination for Japanese tourists. Both for the weather/beach and for the Pearl Harbor memorial.
https://flightaware.com/live/findfli...stination=PHNL
12 flights in a three hour span from Tokyo (Haneda and Narita) to HNL. DL, UA, HA, ANA, JAL, and even KE all fly the route. There are four flights a day too from Osaka to Honolulu.
https://flightaware.com/live/findfli...stination=PHNL
12 flights in a three hour span from Tokyo (Haneda and Narita) to HNL. DL, UA, HA, ANA, JAL, and even KE all fly the route. There are four flights a day too from Osaka to Honolulu.
May 10, 2019, 7:41 pm
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There is not necessarily any correlation between WN commencing service to Hawaii and UA changing aircraft on SFO-OGG. Aircraft assignments on the Hawaii routes have always been highly variable depending on season and demand. I flew the 772A SFO-OGG all the way back circa 2000.
May 10, 2019, 8:57 pm
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What’s interesting is that I think hotel room construction is being out-paced by airline capacity increases (from both mainland and Asia). AA is starting a 2nd Dreamliner non-stop from ORD. A lot of VRBOs are popping up, but I bet the carriers are going to see loads drop (and prices).
May 10, 2019, 9:27 pm
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under Fly America Act, Jetblue won the GSA contract between DC-Milan (and DC-Dubai). it's actually a codeshare operated by Emirates
(US-Japan open skies explicitly mentions this)
https://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/ata/j/ja/133510.htm
U.S. Government Procured Transportation
In response to a concern raised by the Japanese delegation, the U.S. delegation explained that, under the current and longstanding interpretation of U.S. law, carriage of U.S. Government financed air transportation (Fly America traffic) by a U.S. carrier includes transportation sold under the code of a U.S. carrier pursuant to a code-share arrangement, but carried on an aircraft operated by a foreign air carrier.
In response to a request from the Japanese delegation, the U.S. delegation indicated that it would be willing to discuss giving Japanese airlines access to additional Fly America traffic should the U.S. legal and policy limitations in this area be relaxed.
In response to a concern raised by the Japanese delegation, the U.S. delegation explained that, under the current and longstanding interpretation of U.S. law, carriage of U.S. Government financed air transportation (Fly America traffic) by a U.S. carrier includes transportation sold under the code of a U.S. carrier pursuant to a code-share arrangement, but carried on an aircraft operated by a foreign air carrier.
In response to a request from the Japanese delegation, the U.S. delegation indicated that it would be willing to discuss giving Japanese airlines access to additional Fly America traffic should the U.S. legal and policy limitations in this area be relaxed.
May 11, 2019, 6:00 am
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But this route has always struck me as an interesting anomaly simply for they fact that neither airport is a United hub and the flight doesn't originate or terminate in Guam. How many other United flights do that?
When I fly between HNL and GUM, I prefer to SDC to route through NRT so I get more PQM and better service (two meals if I sit in economy vs zero and Polaris seat (typically) vs the dorm if I'm up front (one of the easiest GPUs to clear, BTW)). I don't mind the extra time in the air.
May 11, 2019, 6:46 am
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May 11, 2019, 8:45 am
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(Also, I was curious and poked around on the united flight map for a minute, and it appears that there are a few seasonal flights to/from non-hubs and CUN, as well as CLE which is no longer listed as a hub, and maybe others as well)
May 11, 2019, 9:47 am
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There is not necessarily any correlation between WN commencing service to Hawaii and UA changing aircraft on SFO-OGG. Aircraft assignments on the Hawaii routes have always been highly variable depending on season and demand. I flew the 772A SFO-OGG all the way back circa 2000.