Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 31063467)
I would agree they seem to be excessively tight with the saver award inventory. What we can't tell is whether that's RM's fault, or RM simply implementing management directives.
To me, this flight in question reads like a pendulum swinging too far back situation. Their model was too liberal with saver awards on new routes because it lacked historical booking data, so they tweaked it to err on the other side and be too conservative until enough data comes through. Probably in a few months they'll tweak it back in the other direction till they find a well-calibrated approach to new routes. |
Originally Posted by escapefromphl
(Post 31061150)
It was a good day to be non-rev looks like only a few didn't clear into business.
As far as total load goes: the flight left virtually full, with only 6 Y+ seats open. Overall, I guess a good day for demand on this new route. |
Maybe their pricing strategy on the flight involves hoping to sell expensive Y tickets, so they wanted to keep the business cabin open for op-ups. Even if it didn't materialize on this flight...
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My guess is the Revenue Mgmt software for new routes needs some sort of history and trends before adjusting award space....
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Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer
(Post 31063929)
My guess is the Revenue Mgmt software for new routes needs some sort of history and trends before adjusting award space....
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Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 31063969)
The tightness with close-in award space is not limited to new flights. UA has just become extremely stingy releasing I space on its own metal.
There are data points where old routes with far less space showing saver space. In no case has that been shown in newer routes like ZRH or AMS. Can you show us some newer routes that support your statement that have any saver space at all? |
Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky
(Post 31064251)
Can you show us some newer routes that support your statement that have any saver space at all?
On the quick route to "ignore." |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 31064452)
Please read my post more carefully.
On the quick route to "ignore." Find us even one example of any new route with any business award saver space and that disproves the theory but I've been watching 3 of these routes for a month and there hasn't been 1 on 90% empty J sections. Otherwise, just asserting your opinion contrary to provided data as others have and refusing to cite even one example and even threatening people is a bit silly and certainly not helpful so feel free to ignore. |
Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky
(Post 31064506)
Find us even one example of any new route with any business award saver space and that disproves the theory but I've been watching 3 of these routes for a month and there hasn't been 1 on 90% empty J sections.
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Flown this route a few times, business flies half full and lot of UA employees up front. It seems to me that the extra business seats would be more valuable on the IAH-AMS route.
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Originally Posted by supergabe
(Post 31064756)
It seems to me that the extra business seats would be more valuable on the IAH-AMS route.
Flying the AMS-SFO route in a week or so, might burn a GPU, let's see what happens, with 20-30 seats open PZ (and PN for GS folks) remains at 0... |
well this morning TONS of seats on the various direct flights out of SFO to europe opened up. New and Old. One person made a comment that the system they use is somewhat manual opening up IN space for Saver Award. Perhaps there is some truth to that.
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Originally Posted by escapefromphl
(Post 31061056)
I suspect its more like if origin or destination == SFO then PZ=0; I=0.
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Originally Posted by cfischer
(Post 31066575)
last week SFO-ICN. Both flights equally empty 24 hours before departure. 1/2 the seats taken and one was PN0PZ0IN0I0 the other one was PN9PZ9IN9I9 ... it seems to be quite random. The one with zeros left with many seats open in business after 10+ NRSA cleared.
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky
(Post 31066499)
well this morning TONS of seats on the various direct flights out of SFO to europe opened up. New and Old. One person made a comment that the system they use is somewhat manual opening up IN space for Saver Award. Perhaps there is some truth to that.
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