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Changes To UA MileagePlus Coming On NOV 15, 2019 (Dynamic UA Awards - No More Chart)

Changes To UA MileagePlus Coming On NOV 15, 2019 (Dynamic UA Awards - No More Chart)

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Award travel updates

Introducing a broader range of award prices

Updates to award travel are on the horizon. For flights on or after November 15, 2019, we’ll no longer publish an award chart listing the set amount of miles needed for each flight.

The details:
  • Some award prices will be lower than what’s currently published in our chart. You may have already seen these prices, and you’ll be able to get them immediately.
  • Other award prices may be higher than what you see today, especially if you’re traveling at a popular time. These prices will take effect immediately for travel November 15 or after.
  • Starting November 15, we’re removing close-in fees, so you won’t be charged the extra fee of up to $75 for booking last-minute award travel.
  • A flexible award travel calendar is available on united.com or in our app.

Frequently Asked Questions

  • What is changing?

    For travel on or after November 15, we will no longer publish an award chart listing the set amount of miles needed for award flights. Award pricing will now fluctuate based on a variety of factors, including demand. Additionally, starting November 15, we will no longer charge a fee of up to $75 for award flights booked within 21 days of departure.
  • When will these updates take effect?

    The award pricing changes apply immediately to flights on or after November 15, 2019. Until then, award prices will be the same as or lower than what’s currently published in our award chart.
  • How many miles will I need for award travel after November 15?

    Award prices will now fluctuate based on a variety of factors. Some air awards will be available for less than what’s listed in our chart, which you may have already noticed. After November 15, award prices may also be higher, especially if you’re traveling at popular times. Use our flexible award calendar to get a monthly view of the award prices for a specific destination.
  • Why are you making these changes?

    Increasing award prices for the most in-demand flights allows us to offer better returns for our shareholders. If your award travel is flexible, these updates will help you make the most of your miles.
  • How will these updates affect award travel availability?

    United MileagePlus members with Premier® status and qualifying United Chase Cardmembers can continue to book award travel without blackout dates. For other members, most award flights that are available today will continue to be available after these updates take effect.
  • Do the lowest-priced awards have any extra flight restrictions?

    No. Our lowest priced awards do not have any added restrictions; the fare rules for all award travel apply.
  • How can I find the lowest priced award for my travel?

    The award calendar on united.com or in our app will continue to show the lowest available price for your destination.
  • Will I earn miles on my flight if I book an award?

    No. As with current award bookings, award travel in the future will not be eligible to earn miles with MileagePlus or any other loyalty program.
  • What if I need to change my existing award?

    If you need to change your award ticket, you will be issued a new ticket for which new pricing and additional fees may apply.
  • What if I purchase a close-in award before November 15

    The close-in booking fee will still apply to all tickets booked within 21 days of departure prior to November 15, 2019. We will not refund fees paid prior to November 15, even if travel occurs on or after November 15.
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Old May 20, 19, 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992 View Post
DL is charging 300K-360K miles for one-way in J on many flights to Asia/Europe. That's 600K-720L round trip.

I am pretty sure UA is heading to that direction.

2% cashback card looks very nice now.
The 2% cash card only addresses points earned via CC spend. And one could argue that the Chase/Amex/Citi flexible currencies still offer better ROI that 2%, provided you can cash the points for a decent saver award through one of the many other transfer partners.

But there are still many of us who earn points the old fashioned way - by paid flying. Everyone in this group is completely shafted by UA including GS, etc. - particularly if they plan to use miles for C/F TATL/TPAC awards on UA.

Of course UA thinks we will all simply stay the course as DL flyers did. We will see about that but in the meantime I see no incentive to continue accumulating UA miles if I have an competitive option on AS or possibly another *A program.
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Old May 20, 19, 4:27 pm
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The 2% cash card only addresses points earned via CC spend. And one could argue that the Chase/Amex/Citi flexible currencies still offer better ROI that 2%, provided you can cash the points for a decent saver award through one of the many other transfer partners.

But there are still many of us who earn points the old fashioned way - by paid flying. Everyone in this group is completely shafted by UA including GS, etc. - particularly if they plan to use miles for C/F TATL/TPAC awards on UA.

Of course UA thinks we will all simply stay the course as DL flyers did. We will see about that but in the meantime I see no incentive to continue accumulating UA miles if I have an competitive option on AS or possibly another *A program.
one could argue that, I think it can certainly make sense. But you're certainly right that ppl who earn miles the 'old fashioned way' are getting screwed. As far as the airline goes, they certainly do seem to make a lot of $$ selling miles to the banks, so to the extent that people realize this, they (particularly the heavy spenders), will stop using the co-brand. I'm going to dump my MP Club card once the next annual fee hits. I can earn 1.5 UR on the ink business cash, and I don't do enough non-int'l trips to justify the club (and the clubs are pretty sucky anyways) , i was running 40-50k a month on that card... oh well.
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Old May 20, 19, 4:53 pm
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Originally Posted by entropy View Post
...I can earn 1.5 UR on the ink business cash,,,.
Or, you could earn 3 UR on travel and dining on CSR/JMPR, and then convert to upconvert these UR points by 1.5 when cashing in it to purchase flights. An effective 4.5 cpp. if you do a lot of travel and dining spend.
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Old May 20, 19, 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by 747FC View Post
Or, you could earn 3 UR on travel and dining on CSR/JMPR, and then convert to upconvert these UR points by 1.5 when cashing in it to purchase flights. An effective 4.5 cpp. if you do a lot of travel and dining spend.
And paired with the Freedom Unlimited, you are bounded below by 2.25% flat. Bulk spend is not a good way to earn miles, and basically never has been.
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Old May 20, 19, 7:34 pm
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Bulk spend is not a good way to earn miles, and basically never has been.
Can you explain?
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Old May 20, 19, 7:45 pm
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Can you explain?
I was agreeing with what I think was the point here -- the UA branded credit cards (and "mileage earning cards" in general) represent a poor return for credit card spend.
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Old May 20, 19, 8:25 pm
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I was agreeing with what I think was the point here -- the UA branded credit cards (and "mileage earning cards" in general) represent a poor return for credit card spend.
Yes. I was confused by ‘bulk spend.”
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Old May 21, 19, 1:40 am
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Being once-per-year leisure flyers, CC spend is one of the best ways we can earn miles. I would love to drop my explorer card right now, but we earn so many miles through other MP unique programs where it would be harder, if at all possible, to earn flexible-points. So far in 2019, we've earned more points through the MPX app, MP Shopping, MP Dining, BP Rewards, and the other "bread and butter" sources of miles than through the CC, therefor sticking with UA is still the best way to go for us.

Admitingly, MP is no longer the gold star it used to be, but I don't see where it is much worse than the other programs are (based on what I've read on here), thus there is no benefit to giving up these non-credit card spend sources of points.

My biggest fear is how much current award-rates inflate. Seeing some of those DL numbers is not encouraging. Mrs. and I have a big trip planed in a few years and we won't be able to take it if we can't pay for it with miles.

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Old May 21, 19, 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by 747FC View Post
Yes. I was confused by ‘bulk spend.”
I meant it as compared to categorizeable spend, spend to meet minimum requirements like signup bonuses, etc.

Originally Posted by phkc070408 View Post
Being once-per-year leisure flyers, CC spend is one of the best ways we can earn miles. I would love to drop my explorer card right now, but we earn so many miles through other MP unique programs where it would be harder, if at all possible, to earn flexible-points. So far in 2019, we've earned more points through the MPX app, MP Shopping, MP Dining, BP Rewards, and the other "bread and butter" sources of miles than through the CC, therefor sticking with UA is still the best way to go for us.
But again, even if UA miles are what you want, the CSR/CFU combo earns more UA miles than the UA cards.
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Old May 23, 19, 1:25 am
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LAX to TYO awards

OK am I missing something?

I know about this November, and have 225K miles to get rid of, so I'm looking at getting 3x saver fares over the summer.

Had no problem finding them last year, but this year they all seem to be "discouraging" in some way, like a 20+ hour layover in SFO in most cases. With all the flights between LAX and SFO, it just seems so.

On on the other hand, I see there are now 80k (each way on NH) fares in economy now. When did these start? The highest I recall seeing in the past is 75k.

I may still luck out as 35k nonstops to TYO appear for NH now and then.
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Old May 23, 19, 5:35 am
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Holy cow - 60K for DCA-ORD round trip. Revenue was $450.
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Old May 23, 19, 5:35 am
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But again, even if UA miles are what you want, the CSR/CFU combo earns more UA miles than the UA cards.
CSR - Chase Saphire Reserves
I'm unfamilar with CFU. Pleae explain.

Edit:

OK I found it - Chase Freedom Unlimited. How does a cash-back card get me UA miles? I see I can redeem the cashback for travel, but there aren't any specifics as to how this works.

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Old May 23, 19, 6:59 am
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Originally Posted by phkc070408 View Post
CSR - Chase Saphire Reserves
I'm unfamilar with CFU. Pleae explain.

Edit:

OK I found it - Chase Freedom Unlimited. How does a cash-back card get me UA miles? I see I can redeem the cashback for travel, but there aren't any specifics as to how this works.
CFU earns chase points. You can cash those out if you want, or transfer them directly to UA or to the account on the Chase Sapphire Reserve (where they are worth slightly more)
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Old May 23, 19, 7:27 am
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CFU earns chase points. You can cash those out if you want, or transfer them directly to UA or to the account on the Chase Sapphire Reserve (where they are worth slightly more)
Right. Travel and dining is 3x UR = either 3x UA or $0.045 (your choice), and everything else is 1.5x UR = 1.5x UA or $0.0225 (again, your choice and you don't need to choose until you are burning the UA miles). As long as you travel basically at all, it's 150 total AF for the two cards, and you get Priority Pass and a bunch of decent insurance benefits.
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Old May 23, 19, 11:02 am
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01 JAN 2020 or 08 JAN 2020 EWR-CPT o/w 125K miles for UA’s new nonstop vs LH or OS connection for 40K miles. 250K miles in business for the nonstop. Wow!
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