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3Cforme Apr 5, 19 7:30 pm

Eliminating the close-in fee is another Delta copy.

jsloan Apr 5, 19 7:44 pm


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 30970215)
Dynamic pricing has been here for a while - I just paid 65,000 for a domestic round-trip two weeks ago. But the cash fare was ridiculous, so it was still a deal in the end.

It's not the dynamic pricing that's the negative -- it's the lack of a cap.

Your 65K redemption today could be 150K in December.

abaheti Apr 5, 19 7:44 pm

Wow. I just booked award tickets for November 29 yesterday. I normally use my UA miles for international business class, and we usually travel off season. Fingers crossed. It could be ok for me at least for a little while. I know partner awards aren't supposed to change, but just for kicks I checked the flights I booked yesterday as 80k one way saver and there's still availability on *A at 80k saver, including my itinerary. This round trip for two and knocked my UA balance down to 90k'ish, with my Chase balance considerably higher -- so glad I switched over to the Sapphire Reserve!

seenitall Apr 5, 19 7:49 pm

OK. One question. How will wait-listing for I class work. Right now, you buy Saver (X class) and wait list for Business (I class) by having the mileage difference pre-deducted from your account. But if future I class awards have no fixed mileage price (until they are released, anyway), how can you pre-deduct the miles from a person's account? Further, what if when I class is released it is priced at a ridiculous number of miles. Will you have to pay it, or can you refuse it at that time. Or is the concept of a Saver award just going away?

raehl311 Apr 5, 19 7:55 pm

So I got an email today from United telling me I'm switching all my spend to Marriott cards..

Since I'm always chasing status, I use my miles for friends and family when the mileage value is better than the cash fare, and a little bit for the change flexibility as a 1K.

Dynamic pricing just means the value redemptions (ie someone needs to get to a funeral tomorrow and the airfare is $700 but there's still saver availability) will go away.

And if the miles basically just have cash value, might as well just use a cash back card.

Feel like United is killing the Golden Goose here... Kinda hard to sell miles no one wants.

FlytheTail Apr 5, 19 7:56 pm

I don't see anything positive in UA's announcement except for one thing: The announcement itself. Delta never communicated their changes, and their stealth approach continues today.

dilanesp Apr 5, 19 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by Polytonic (Post 30970198)
Seems like I chose the wrong year to start crediting back to United. Thankfully I'm only ~20k RDM in so far.

Hopefully they won't touch the partner award chart.

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking."

notquiteaff Apr 5, 19 8:02 pm


Originally Posted by wco81 (Post 30970236)
That may be a bone they tossed to keep the furor down and maybe entice people not to bail.

donít think i ever paid that fee, so... not an enticement for me,

raehl311 Apr 5, 19 8:02 pm


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 30970246)
Eliminating the close-in fee is another Delta copy.

The close in fee exists to protect last-minute-fares-cost-more cash pricing.

When you just charge more miles for last minute fares to begin with it doesn't serve a function anymore. Just make the number of miles needed so exorbitant that only the cash fare is an option.

Far more effective than a close-in fee that still often isn't enough to stop cheap mileage redemptions relative to cash airfare.

jsloan Apr 5, 19 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by seenitall (Post 30970280)
OK. One question. How will wait-listing for I class work. Right now, you buy Saver (X class) and wait list for Business (I class) by having the mileage difference pre-deducted from your account. But if future I class awards have no fixed mileage price (until they are released, anyway), how can you pre-deduct the miles from a person's account? Further, what if when I class is released it is priced at a ridiculous number of miles. Will you have to pay it, or can you refuse it at that time. Or is the concept of a Saver award just going away?

Either waitlisting will go away, or there will be some kind of underlying price that they use when I is not available. (I think the GS T->XN privilege will fall in the same boat). I'm not sure they've figured it out yet.

raehl311 Apr 5, 19 8:05 pm


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 30970215)
While everyone's focusing on the negatives, I really like the fact that the close-in fees are going away.

Dynamic pricing has been here for a while - I just paid 65,000 for a domestic round-trip two weeks ago. But the cash fare was ridiculous, so it was still a deal in the end.

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The close-in fees aren't going away, they're just switching to miles. After Nov. 15 that 65,000 miles + close-in fee ticket will just be a 100,000 mile ticket.


Originally Posted by nomad420 (Post 30970142)
Off topic but basic rule here, if someone is scheduled to fly on that flight that PAX (original ticket holder) has priority over all others regardless of status. From what I understand they WILL NOT do it (even for GS).

​​​​​They'll do it if the Y fare is higher than what they'd have to give out in IDB compensation...

nsx Apr 5, 19 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by zebranz (Post 30969509)
and what will be the new name of MP?

MileagePonzi

sinoflyer Apr 5, 19 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by seenitall (Post 30970280)
... How will wait-listing for I class work...

Dynamic pricing, in theory, balances supply/demand and makes waitlisting obsolete. A high-demand J seat that today goes for 70,000 miles and has a WL of 20+ can ostensibly be priced at 200,000 miles come November. Academically, I am curious how many takers there will be at that price.

OTOH, I'd be interested to explore the feasibility of a bidding system for the unsold seats close-in.

dilanesp Apr 5, 19 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by raehl311 (Post 30970306)
The close in fee exists to protect last-minute-fares-cost-more cash pricing.

When you just charge more miles for last minute fares to begin with it doesn't serve a function anymore. Just make the number of miles needed so exorbitant that only the cash fare is an option.

Far more effective than a close-in fee that still often isn't enough to stop cheap mileage redemptions relative to cash airfare.

At the same time it also gives UA more flexibility. In other words, if a flight is way undersold they don't want to be charging a close in fee. In that case they can do a last minute miles special and maybe clear some RDM's off their balance sheet.

wco81 Apr 5, 19 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by sinoflyer (Post 30970349)
Dynamic pricing, in theory, balances supply/demand and makes waitlisting obsolete. A high-demand J seat that today goes for 70,000 miles and has a WL of 20+ can ostensibly be priced at 200,000 miles come November. Academically, I am curious how many takers there will be at that price.


There must have been enough Anytime award redemptions to make them believe they can pull this off and have awards with essentially no price ceilings.


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