Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
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Jul 16, 2019, 11:03 am
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Airbus didn’t think the 380 would be a failure either, but it was and both manufacturers have learnt as a result.
I’m pretty sure Boeing understands the economics of developing a new airplane in that market very well. Sometimes it makes sense to remodel the bathroom rather than imploding your house and building from scratch.
I’m pretty sure Boeing understands the economics of developing a new airplane in that market very well. Sometimes it makes sense to remodel the bathroom rather than imploding your house and building from scratch.
To maintain a long-term position in the narrow body market, Boeing needs to attack things with something better than yet another re-engined 737. This latest iteration has shown us that the A320 series is becoming significantly more successful as it can more easily be modernized. The 737 is out of time. Airbus is about to increase its market share even more as it rolls out the new A321XLR which is a much better 757 replacement than anything Boeing can even come close to.
Jul 16, 2019, 11:04 am
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“Photos shared on Twitter show a plane in Ryanair colours outside Boeing's manufacturing base, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200.“
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48995509
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48995509
Jul 16, 2019, 11:25 am
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Boeing and Airbus are in constant communication with their customers regarding what aircraft they will want to buy in the near, intermediate, and long-term. The potential customer's are involved from concept through final certification.
Jul 16, 2019, 11:26 am
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Jul 16, 2019, 11:30 am
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Because you brought it up as being perfectly fine...
It is from a passenger perspective, but it's not from an airline perspective.
The previous page of discussion was about the economics of a narrow body (757) from Boeing that has a similar passenger vs. airline desireability.
It is from a passenger perspective, but it's not from an airline perspective.
The previous page of discussion was about the economics of a narrow body (757) from Boeing that has a similar passenger vs. airline desireability.
Jul 16, 2019, 11:40 am
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But again, this has as much to do with the A380 as it does the 777, or 787, or any new aircraft which as ever been designed failure or success. Yes, there is always going to be a cost to develop new aircraft, however playing things safe in the same market for decades is not really a long-term strategy. It's now backfiring on Boeing because of their lack of innovation and it is obvious that Boeing is falling behind and struggling to maintain a position in the narrow body market. Hence the hastily designed and rushed into service 737MAX.
To maintain a long-term position in the narrow body market, Boeing needs to attack things with something better than yet another re-engined 737. This latest iteration has shown us that the A320 series is becoming significantly more successful as it can more easily be modernized. The 737 is out of time. Airbus is about to increase its market share even more as it rolls out the new A321XLR which is a much better 757 replacement than anything Boeing can even come close to.
To maintain a long-term position in the narrow body market, Boeing needs to attack things with something better than yet another re-engined 737. This latest iteration has shown us that the A320 series is becoming significantly more successful as it can more easily be modernized. The 737 is out of time. Airbus is about to increase its market share even more as it rolls out the new A321XLR which is a much better 757 replacement than anything Boeing can even come close to.
The suggestion that Boeing (or Airbus) are just sitting around doing nothing to improve their aircraft is farcical. Boeing and and Airbus wait for the customer(s), not the other way around. Hence, the discussion of the A380, when Airbus didn't fully flesh out the business case before launching.
Jul 16, 2019, 11:45 am
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Jul 16, 2019, 11:48 am
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Topic check
The discussion was drifted off into topics not related to UA and the MAX. Let's please return to the tread 's topic.
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The discussion was drifted off into topics not related to UA and the MAX. Let's please return to the tread 's topic.
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Jul 16, 2019, 12:09 pm
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Jul 16, 2019, 12:39 pm
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Jul 16, 2019, 4:19 pm
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Looks like United is hedging that the MAX grounding may not end anytime soon. They announced they are buying 19 used 737-700's to be delivered in December with their earnings info today.
"United did not break out how the grounding, now in its fifth month, affected its bottom line but said it signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 planes, older jets that it can use to meet growing demand. It expects those planes to be delivered in December."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/16/unit...estimates.html
If other airlines are looking into temporarily leasing or buying 737NG, the used values will certainly go up.
"United did not break out how the grounding, now in its fifth month, affected its bottom line but said it signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 planes, older jets that it can use to meet growing demand. It expects those planes to be delivered in December."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/16/unit...estimates.html
If other airlines are looking into temporarily leasing or buying 737NG, the used values will certainly go up.
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Jul 16, 2019, 5:26 pm
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Looks like United is hedging that the MAX grounding may not end anytime soon. They announced they are buying 19 used 737-700's to be delivered in December with their earnings info today.
"United did not break out how the grounding, now in its fifth month, affected its bottom line but said it signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 planes, older jets that it can use to meet growing demand. It expects those planes to be delivered in December."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/16/unit...estimates.html
If other airlines are looking into temporarily leasing or buying 737NG, the used values will certainly go up.
"United did not break out how the grounding, now in its fifth month, affected its bottom line but said it signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 planes, older jets that it can use to meet growing demand. It expects those planes to be delivered in December."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/16/unit...estimates.html
If other airlines are looking into temporarily leasing or buying 737NG, the used values will certainly go up.
Jul 16, 2019, 5:41 pm
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Was looking at the list of 737-700 carriers - Air Berlin? They went bankrupt in 2017 and had 32 in the fleet. Jet Airways is not yet in bankruptcy asset sale yet.
Jul 16, 2019, 5:44 pm
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United has been in the market for used NGs, especially -700s, for the past few years. Blocks of sister ships are VERY hard to find. Although I have no idea where these airplanes are coming from, it is likely this was in work pre-grounding. However, United may have decided to pay a higher price to lock the airplanes up in a very tight NG market.
Jul 16, 2019, 5:50 pm
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Smart move by UA in this case of the used 737-700's. Sad that the commercial market is so limited compared to other industries. That may change if the grounding of the Max extends beyond current speculation.
I should add "I think" to this is a smart move, as I'm sure many armchair non pilots/non CEO's are much smarter than everyone at Boeing or UA.
I should add "I think" to this is a smart move, as I'm sure many armchair non pilots/non CEO's are much smarter than everyone at Boeing or UA.
