Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
Apr 16, 2019, 8:20 am
#1156
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American to require 737 Max Simulator Training, United??
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that American Airlines plans to require simulator trading for the 737 Max pilots. Thus far United and Southwest have no announced plans. As vocal flying customers, perhaps we need to remind our preferred carriers that out of an abundance of caution this seems like a rational safety plan.
Apr 16, 2019, 8:25 am
#1157
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Safety training shouldn't be a PR stunt. If UA feels that their pilots need additional simulator training, they'll schedule it. They have as much motivation to do so as the "vocal flying customers."
Apr 16, 2019, 8:50 am
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United has chosen a PR strategy of flying "under the radar" with respect to the 737MAX grounding because of its relatively limited customer-facing impact in its case. UA has been mostly able to absorb the grounding due to its smaller MAX fleet than AA/WN, so cancellations have been mitigated for now and there's no substantial need to call attention to it. I should note that the recently-retired former p.s. 757 (N505UA) was pulled back from the desert and will be re-entering service temporarily to backfill capacity because ETOPS-rated 75Ks have been covering some SFO/LAX-Hawaii flying lately.
Once they are cleared to return to service, it will be interesting to see what approach UA takes from a marketing perspective. As far as training pilots for a return to service, United will be consistent with the industry. There's no obligation to publicly disclose such plans.
Once they are cleared to return to service, it will be interesting to see what approach UA takes from a marketing perspective. As far as training pilots for a return to service, United will be consistent with the industry. There's no obligation to publicly disclose such plans.
Apr 16, 2019, 8:54 am
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Apr 16, 2019, 9:23 am
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One 757 (N505UA) that was retired in February is being prepared for a return to service. I also suspect the A320s planned for retirement this year and 2x other 75K retirements will be postponed. Between those, the used A319s entering the fleet, and increasing utilization, UA should be able to scrape together enough frames to cover the MAX flying if the grounding lasts through the summer. However, UA will probably announce a slight, temporary downward reduction in capacity growth to account for this.
Apr 16, 2019, 11:12 am
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Not new news but a nice summary with some background and interesting graphics explaining the engine and the side by side comparison of the A320neo and 737-Max, wow the MAX is quite a low rider, crazy simply crazy engineering driven by business
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Apr 16, 2019, 4:07 pm
#1162
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This frequent traveler will not be flying 737 MAX.
Boeing has been laying off engineers in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper people in Charleston), laying off IT in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper staff in Mesa, AZ), closing down plants in CA, spending more money on lobbyists than on QA -- something is really rotten at the top. I don't want to take a chance with my life or those of people around me.
Boeing has been laying off engineers in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper people in Charleston), laying off IT in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper staff in Mesa, AZ), closing down plants in CA, spending more money on lobbyists than on QA -- something is really rotten at the top. I don't want to take a chance with my life or those of people around me.
Apr 16, 2019, 4:15 pm
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Apr 16, 2019, 9:07 pm
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This frequent traveler will not be flying 737 MAX.
Boeing has been laying off engineers in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper people in Charleston), laying off IT in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper staff in Mesa, AZ), closing down plants in CA, spending more money on lobbyists than on QA -- something is really rotten at the top. I don't want to take a chance with my life or those of people around me.
Boeing has been laying off engineers in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper people in Charleston), laying off IT in Puget Sound (replacing them with cheaper staff in Mesa, AZ), closing down plants in CA, spending more money on lobbyists than on QA -- something is really rotten at the top. I don't want to take a chance with my life or those of people around me.
Apr 17, 2019, 12:48 am
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All my bags are pack I'm ready to go..Oh babe, I hate to go
FAA panel signs off on 737 Max training plan
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/polit..._source=twCNNi
"A United Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft lands at San Francisco International Airport on March 13, 2019 in Burlingame, California. The United States has followed countries around the world and has grounded all Boeing 737 Max aircraft following a crash of an Ethiopia Airlines 737 Max 8.(CNN)A Federal Aviation Administration panel found changes Boeing made to a 737 Max"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/polit..._source=twCNNi
"A United Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft lands at San Francisco International Airport on March 13, 2019 in Burlingame, California. The United States has followed countries around the world and has grounded all Boeing 737 Max aircraft following a crash of an Ethiopia Airlines 737 Max 8.(CNN)A Federal Aviation Administration panel found changes Boeing made to a 737 Max"
Last edited by BF263533; Apr 17, 2019 at 12:55 am
Apr 17, 2019, 6:02 am
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I saw a couple of parked AC MAX8s in YYC over the weekend. Seeing the position of the engines, it struck me that it's not how anyone would set about to design an aircraft. That's not to say it's not airworthy or whatever but it did reinforce the notion from comments out there that it's a "Frankenstein aircraft".
Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 pm
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With AA announcing that they WILL put their pilots through simulator training on the MAX, but UA not stepping forward on this issue, AA is now my "safest airline."
Apr 17, 2019, 8:29 pm
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Hi all,
Good news for 737-MAX aircraft. They will put back in service for this summer, resuming deliveries before year-end.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/u...182008885.html
Good news for 737-MAX aircraft. They will put back in service for this summer, resuming deliveries before year-end.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/u...182008885.html
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Apr 17, 2019, 9:17 pm
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The Wall Street Journal is reporting that American Airlines plans to require simulator trading for the 737 Max pilots. Thus far United and Southwest have no announced plans. As vocal flying customers, perhaps we need to remind our preferred carriers that out of an abundance of caution this seems like a rational safety plan.
My understanding is there is a shortage of Max simulators, with one of the only ones existing being in Ethiopia. My understanding on the sims is they weren’t supposed to be needed, at least initially, since a Max is supposed to fly similar to an NG so doesn’t require training, and that everything was put together so fast there wasn’t enough time to get sims in production.