Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
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The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
Mar 27, 2019, 7:27 am
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With that said, it will be interesting to see how quickly Congress and the media move on from this. Not exactly sure what the end game for politicians would be to aggressively try to interfere with Boeing as such a large domestic company that employs a wide range of people (unlike the bank CEO hearings where no one is really concerned about getting in the way of an investment banker getting paid to do their job).
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Mar 27, 2019, 8:31 am
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Yep, thats pretty true. Saw this on the National ABC News last night, probably 45-60 seconds of airtime. Only at the very end did they briefly mention that no passengers, only pilots on-board. I knew that it had to be a ferry flight, simply because I'm an FT follower. They never mentioned the words "Ferry Flight" just the quick blurb at the end about no passengers.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:28 am
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Yep, thats pretty true. Saw this on the National ABC News last night, probably 45-60 seconds of airtime. Only at the very end did they briefly mention that no passengers, only pilots on-board. I knew that it had to be a ferry flight, simply because I'm an FT follower. They never mentioned the words "Ferry Flight" just the quick blurb at the end about no passengers.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:47 am
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Sadly the local stations are the worst, even in Top 10 markets in the US 
Boeing does not make the LEAP engine any more than it makes the fuselage (Spirit AeroSystems makes the fuselage for 737).
Drives me nuts. OK, even more nuts ....
Originally Posted by ABC affiliate station report
Boeing made engines
Drives me nuts. OK, even more nuts ....
Mar 27, 2019, 10:07 am
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Mar 27, 2019, 10:12 am
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MAX News Day
Boeing briefings today: boeing-737-max-meeting-pilots-regulators
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/polit...ors/index.html
Senate hearings today at 3 pm: congress/hearing-737-max-crashes-will-focus-faa-oversight
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congre...-faa-oversight
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/polit...ors/index.html
Senate hearings today at 3 pm: congress/hearing-737-max-crashes-will-focus-faa-oversight
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congre...-faa-oversight
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Mar 27, 2019, 4:04 pm
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An interesting read: https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1334482
My simply distillation
Now the CEO and senior leaders should take a look at what JnJ did with their Tylenol and or Intel finally had to do with their FDIV. It is hard to admit you failed, but the longer they don't the worse it will be and all confidence will be lost. Of course AirBus can't look itself cleanly in the mirror as their closet isn't clean of skeletons either.
My simply distillation
- Competitive market pressures requires BA to the only solution possible a 737 modification with new engines / wings etc. to compete. Fundamentally new engines on a airframe design from 40 years ago has some issue!
- During development identified a fundamental issue with engine airframe integration that required a software patch
- Business constraints with pilot training, fungibility, cost, biggest customer required 2) to subterfuge
- Obviously internally they identified additional things like dual sensors, warning lights and I'm sure someone in BA suggested more explicit notification / training but because of 1) and 3) decided to do the "minimum" they needed versus what they could.
Now the CEO and senior leaders should take a look at what JnJ did with their Tylenol and or Intel finally had to do with their FDIV. It is hard to admit you failed, but the longer they don't the worse it will be and all confidence will be lost. Of course AirBus can't look itself cleanly in the mirror as their closet isn't clean of skeletons either.
Mar 27, 2019, 4:13 pm
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An interesting read: https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1334482
My simply distillation
Now the CEO and senior leaders should take a look at what JnJ did with their Tylenol and or Intel finally had to do with their FDIV. It is hard to admit you failed, but the longer they don't the worse it will be and all confidence will be lost. Of course AirBus can't look itself cleanly in the mirror as their closet isn't clean of skeletons either.
My simply distillation
- Competitive market pressures requires BA to the only solution possible a 737 modification with new engines / wings etc. to compete. Fundamentally new engines on a airframe design from 40 years ago has some issue!
- During development identified a fundamental issue with engine airframe integration that required a software patch
- Business constraints with pilot training, fungibility, cost, biggest customer required 2) to subterfuge
- Obviously internally they identified additional things like dual sensors, warning lights and I'm sure someone in BA suggested more explicit notification / training but because of 1) and 3) decided to do the "minimum" they needed versus what they could.
Now the CEO and senior leaders should take a look at what JnJ did with their Tylenol and or Intel finally had to do with their FDIV. It is hard to admit you failed, but the longer they don't the worse it will be and all confidence will be lost. Of course AirBus can't look itself cleanly in the mirror as their closet isn't clean of skeletons either.
Mar 27, 2019, 6:51 pm
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The quoted article is titled: "Software Won’t Fix Boeing’s ‘Faulty’ Airframe"
The quoted article states:
"Travis is unequivocal in his assessment of the Boeing 737 MAX. “It’s a faulty airframe. You’ve got to fix the airframe [and] you can’t fix the airframe without moving the engines” back and away from their current position."
"Travis is unequivocal in his assessment of the Boeing 737 MAX. “It’s a faulty airframe. You’ve got to fix the airframe [and] you can’t fix the airframe without moving the engines” back and away from their current position."
An interesting read: https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1334482
My simply distillation
My simply distillation
- Competitive market pressures requires BA to the only solution possible a 737 modification with new engines / wings etc. to compete. Fundamentally new engines on a airframe design from 40 years ago has some issue!
- During development identified a fundamental issue with engine airframe integration that required a software patch
- Business constraints with pilot training, fungibility, cost, biggest customer required 2) to subterfuge
- Obviously internally they identified additional things like dual sensors, warning lights and I'm sure someone in BA suggested more explicit notification / training but because of 1) and 3) decided to do the "minimum" they needed versus what they could.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:02 pm
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- During development identified a fundamental issue with engine airframe integration that required a software patch
- Business constraints with pilot training, fungibility, cost, biggest customer required 2) to subterfuge
- Obviously internally they identified additional things like dual sensors, warning lights and I'm sure someone in BA suggested more explicit notification / training but because of 1) and 3) decided to do the "minimum" they needed versus what they could.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:08 pm
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Mar 27, 2019, 9:19 pm
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Mar 27, 2019, 9:29 pm
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With Boeing's software changes & MCAS being less robust, we will just have to wait & see if 737mAX pilots will be facing abnormally more times where they have to take affirmative action to prevent a stall.
Mar 28, 2019, 2:57 am
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Exactly. This was a money grab for Boeing and the airlines (although I imagine most were kept in the dark about the problems), and hundreds of people lost their lives.
