Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
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Mar 13, 2019, 1:00 pm
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737 Max grounded by Trump
Wow! Fast reaction when the FAA won’t act swiftly enough.
Mar 13, 2019, 1:01 pm
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Mar 13, 2019, 1:04 pm
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If the plane is, in fact, grounded, either voluntarily or otherwise, there's an excellent chance that UA will simply swap the scheduled equipment to a 737-900 and you won't need to do anything. I'd give it at least a week before I tried to call UA about it, as it will take some time for that to move through their systems and they will prioritize immediately upcoming flights in their database update.
Mar 13, 2019, 1:05 pm
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Now Boeing is saying they are recommending it to the FAA. What kind of lunacy is going on with the communication between Boeing, the FAA, and Mr. Orange?
Mar 13, 2019, 1:07 pm
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Mar 13, 2019, 1:09 pm
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The MAX9 represents something like 1% of UA's mainline fleet and far less than that when you lump in UAX. You really think keeping the planes in the air when the FAA said they could was just a big profit grab? Besides, the order of events is just noise to the general public anyway.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.
Mar 13, 2019, 1:11 pm
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I understand the general distaste for government in the current political climate (this is not just a 45 thing, but I digress) but what can people point to as evidence that the FAA is an ineffective regulator? The sudden cynicism over the FAA is a bit alarming, to me.
Our aeronautical system has always been pretty apolitical, about as much as a federal agency can get, and the system has always worked pretty well. What's changed?
Mar 13, 2019, 1:13 pm
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Order came out at about 8:30a HST, UA 1273 SFO-OGG pushed about 5 minutes later and looks to be returning to terminal.
Looks like UA is scrambling to swap already. 2nd LAX-OGG looks like it might have been swapped to 738 from 739 Max. There's going to be 4 PO'd F passengers.
Looks like UA is scrambling to swap already. 2nd LAX-OGG looks like it might have been swapped to 738 from 739 Max. There's going to be 4 PO'd F passengers.
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Mar 13, 2019, 1:13 pm
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UA missed an opportunity to lead with little cost impact (so few frames fleetwide).
Mar 13, 2019, 1:15 pm
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President grounding 737 Max 8&9s via emergency order as soon as landed. No further take-offs.
Both OGG-LAX flights today are 739 MAX. This is going to disproportionately affect UA's Hawaii/West Coast routes today.
1273 SFO-OGG shows as "taxiing". It'll be interesting to see if they take off and how long order takes to percolate through system.
Both OGG-LAX flights today are 739 MAX. This is going to disproportionately affect UA's Hawaii/West Coast routes today.
1273 SFO-OGG shows as "taxiing". It'll be interesting to see if they take off and how long order takes to percolate through system.
Expect others will follow.
UA1016 is about to land in CUN. Will be interesting to see if they are allowed to bring it back. Same with the three that will be in Hawaii.
Mar 13, 2019, 1:15 pm
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Oh, I agree, but that makes the "we are flying a plane that the rest of the world says is unsafe and has grounded" move all the more jaw dropping stupid. United had worse company (SWA and AA) but they also had less exposure to the plane, and as others have said have slack in their system now.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.
But hey, it's a chance to swipe at UA, and that can't be missed, right???
Mar 13, 2019, 1:21 pm
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Oh, I agree, but that makes the "we are flying a plane that the rest of the world says is unsafe and has grounded" move all the more jaw dropping stupid. United had worse company (SWA and AA) but they also had less exposure to the plane, and as others have said have slack in their system now.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.
what the crap about united being a follower? If FAA orders something, United complies. There is no need to jump the gun if your entire safety team and you own pilot union believes in the airplane.
Mar 13, 2019, 1:24 pm
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What is interesting is that UA decided to stick to schedule instead of preemptively adjust some of the Max schedule to keep them in the contiguous US where recovery would be easier should such an order come down..
Mar 13, 2019, 1:24 pm
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Good. No way we can have planes that are too complex to fly in the air