Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
Mar 11, 2019, 1:50 pm
#151
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Witness accounts I was wondering about
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
Smoke and debris trailing, making a turn then diving
A possibility is bird strike damaging one or both engines, them stalling on that turn
More facts to come from the professionals
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
Smoke and debris trailing, making a turn then diving
A possibility is bird strike damaging one or both engines, them stalling on that turn
More facts to come from the professionals
Mar 11, 2019, 2:05 pm
#152
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I found the response (#2 in the thread) from @cmd320 far more helpful than your comment. I obviously did not know the answer else I would not have posted the question. I learn news things in FT all the time.
However like I said my intent wasn't bad, I was merely surprised. Apologies if you thought otherwise.
Mar 11, 2019, 2:19 pm
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The data are publicly available. If the MAX had the same safety profile as the 737NG and A320, the probability that it would have had two 100% fatal hull losses this early in its service life is less than 1 in 1,000. To me, those aren't good odds, but I can't speak to your own risk preferences or priors.
Mar 11, 2019, 2:46 pm
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The data are publicly available. If the MAX had the same safety profile as the 737NG and A320, the probability that it would have had two 100% fatal hull losses this early in its service life is less than 1 in 1,000. To me, those aren't good odds, but I can't speak to your own risk preferences or priors.
In no way is the above dismissal of potential inherent flaws with the aircraft series. It could be one or more factors which contributed to the tragic loss of both planes. RIP.
Mar 11, 2019, 2:48 pm
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I'm not saying this is going to be a huge long-term issue for $BA but the idea that its an economic non-event for them with 22 airlines now grounding this model (per NYT) is also a little too sanguine for me.
Mar 11, 2019, 3:21 pm
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Absolutely. It is essential they determine the root causes of the accidents. I'm only pointing out that the data reveal there are one or more problems with the aircraft as currently operated. The investigators will, very likely, determine what those problems are with sufficient time.
Mar 11, 2019, 3:35 pm
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from the article: "Tamirat Abera, 25, was walking past the field at the time. He said the plane turned sharply, trailing white smoke and items like clothes and papers, then crashed about 300 meters away."
Mar 11, 2019, 3:49 pm
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Mar 11, 2019, 3:50 pm
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That it took several days for media to find witnesses is testament to the developing world nature of the crash site
But they seem to point to the altitutde data being correct - plane never got more than about 1,000 feet up - flew level for several minutes before crashing in a quick move - and witnesses report plane flying low, making 'unusual' noise (which could simply be flying low)
Several note something trailing the aircraft - 'fire' is often mistaken by witnesses - but sparks, smoke, etc from an engine that ingested something or otherwise failed is common in situations like a compressor stall.
Lots for the investigators to piece together and black box being found will make things clearer quickly.
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Mar 11, 2019, 3:50 pm
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I avoid UA's MAX not because of safety concerns, but because of the horrible F seats. Same is true for the Airbus equipment that uses the same F slimline seat.
Mar 11, 2019, 3:58 pm
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And those eyewitness reports are always so reliable.
Mar 11, 2019, 4:07 pm
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Huh? NYT reports it was over 8000 feet when transmissions ceased. Boeing 737 MAX Crash
no they are not obviously. But something coming out of the aircraft like smoke witnessed by a half a dozen people, at least, is very notable. As opposed to no smoke.
Mar 11, 2019, 4:07 pm
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Huh? NYT reports it was over 8000 feet when transmissions ceased. Boeing 737 MAX Crash
And those eyewitness reports are always so reliable.
And those eyewitness reports are always so reliable.
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...es-flight-302/
Mar 11, 2019, 4:08 pm
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Huh? NYT reports it was over 8000 feet when transmissions ceased. Boeing 737 MAX Crash
Originally Posted by NYT
Altitude fluctuations were recorded shortly after takeoff. The altitude shown is compared with the mean sea level, not the ground level.
Mar 11, 2019, 5:59 pm
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IDK, but I’m not flying on the max anymore (have done so multiple hundreds of times)