Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
Mar 10, 2019, 1:04 pm
#46
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Of course not now. But that’s not what the argument was. The argument was that pilots are “well aware”. They weren’t prior to crash #1. Presumably Ethiopian’s pilots are also “now” “well aware” of the issue. But that didn’t stop this one from crashing if it involves the same flaw.
Mar 10, 2019, 1:12 pm
#47
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US-based pilots are well aware of the issues that lead to the crash of the earlier 737 Max, and have been trained appropriately. It's not just our lives at stake; it's their own too. I regularly train (ride bicycles) with an AA pilot and he's definitely on top of this stuff. I have no issue whatsoever flying a mainline legacy carrier aircraft of any type. I have flown Ethiopian Air, actually the exact same route as this morning's disaster. Like many (not all!!!) carriers outside the US, there is a sense of "fly casual." Flying in the US is extremely safe. Flying elsewhere is likely much safer than any other way to get around (although I might have some misgivings about a few South American carriers; that plane in Peru that burned to the ground a couple years ago... I was on that airline, at that location, just a couple weeks prior. It didn't surprise me. Nobody died if I recall correctly).
Mar 10, 2019, 1:15 pm
#48
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I flew a 739MAX OGG-LAX last month. I don't if it's any more prone to crashing (we made it), The United logo placement on the wall you see immediately on boarding was the indicator it was a new aircraft version - I even said "ooh, new plane!" to the FA at the door. It's pretty unique (in placement).
Mar 10, 2019, 1:16 pm
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Do you have reason to believe it hasn't?
Of course not now. But that’s not what the argument was. The argument was that pilots are “well aware”. They weren’t prior to crash #1 . Presumably Ethiopian’s pilots are also “now” “well aware” of the issue. But that didn’t stop this one from crashing if it involves the same flaw.
As for the MCAS system, I would argue it's not flawed at all, and in fact is a safeguard. But when the system is functioning as designed after being fed faulty data, and the subsequent human intervention is also incorrect, those are links in the chain of events that end in catastrophe.
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Mar 10, 2019, 1:16 pm
#50
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Of course not now. But that’s not what the argument was. The argument was that pilots are “well aware”. They weren’t prior to crash #1. Presumably Ethiopian’s pilots are also “now” “well aware” of the issue. But that didn’t stop this one from crashing if it involves the same flaw.
So you state 'flaw'. Can you state what this flaw is?
Mar 10, 2019, 1:20 pm
#51
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When 2 new planes using new flight software crash within months of each other, then I hardly call someone questioning the safety of this plane "mass hysteria".
Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release?
Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release?
Mar 10, 2019, 1:29 pm
#52
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When 2 new planes using new flight software crash within months of each other, then I hardly call someone questioning the safety of this plane "mass hysteria".
Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release?
Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release?
Mar 10, 2019, 1:30 pm
#53
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Difference in 737 and 737-Max.
What are the difference, or is there one, in 737 and 737-max planes? How do I know when I look at my booking. I am on a 737-700 from ORD to BUF later today.
Trying to understand what routes UA flies these planes and How to tell
Trying to understand what routes UA flies these planes and How to tell
Mar 10, 2019, 1:33 pm
#54
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I am avoiding the plane for now. Twice in just a few months is scary.
Mar 10, 2019, 1:39 pm
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ETA: The 737 MAX 7 is expected to enter service later this year. It hasn't been as popular as the MAX 8 and MAX 9 due to capacity differences.
Mar 10, 2019, 1:40 pm
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The fact that it seems to be a highly unusual occurrence in this era is a fantastic development and a testament to how far the industry has advanced in terms of safety and technological progress.
Mar 10, 2019, 1:45 pm
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Not to be pedantic, but the first 737 MAX 8 was delivered on May 22, 2017. There were actually no crashes within a year of the new model release.
Mar 10, 2019, 1:51 pm
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There is no 737 MAX 7 (yet). The only 737 MAX UA flies is the 737 MAX 9, which will appear in the flight status as "Boeing 737 MAX 9."
ETA: The 737 MAX 7 is expected to enter service later this year. It hasn't been as popular as the MAX 8 and MAX 9 due to capacity differences.
ETA: The 737 MAX 7 is expected to enter service later this year. It hasn't been as popular as the MAX 8 and MAX 9 due to capacity differences.
Mar 10, 2019, 1:54 pm
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You are not on a MAX plane. MAX is the newest gen 737; whereas aircrafts such as 737-700, 737-800, 737-900, 737-900ER perceded the MAX (M8, M9, M10).
Mar 10, 2019, 2:09 pm
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I’m avoiding this aircraft! I already hate the 739’s, and avoid them when possible due to headaches after flying in them. It’s extremely hard to avoid, but I do my best. I flew FLL-IAH on a Max and it just felt different. Again, all my only reasons, but I’m avoiding the Max and just switched my Air Canada flight to avoid the Max.