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B737MAX [Cleared by FAA to resume passenger flights];When will UA MAX flights resume?

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The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.

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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.

Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...

As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.

The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.

Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.

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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA View Post
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).

However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.

The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.

Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.

Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.

The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).

Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.

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The first B737 MAX, an enhanced version of the B737 family, started service in May 2016, a MAX 8. MAX 9 entered service March 2018. (UA service start date??)
The MAX series was ground in March 2019 after two incidents involve the MCAS; Lion Air Flight 610 - Wikipedia and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 - Wikipedia

United did not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it had operated the 737 MAX 9.

All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) were grounded. Boeing in conjunction with FAA, EASA, Transport Canada and other national air safety organizations entered into a cause investigation, into the MCAS operation, into if sufficient training had been provided and into if the original certification process had been sufficient rigid.
Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).

The FAA (18 Nov 2020), EASA (24 Nov 2020) and Transport Canada (17 Dec 2020) have re-certified the MAX 8 & MAX 9 for commercial flight
Boeing 737 MAX certification - Wikipedia

AA resumed use of MAX8 on 29 Dec 2020
UA plans to resumes service of the MAX9 in Feb 2020 (from IAH and DEN)

Airlines have resumed taking deliveries of the MAX 8 & 9

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How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:

View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.

The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.

For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.



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Old Jan 1, 21, 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by exp View Post
Does UA have no other options than the MAX?

If a lot of people are avoiding MAX or if there's another crash, those planes will become worthless. Either they will be permanently grounded or people will avoid them like the plague.
I think the biggest concern is if there is another incident with the MAX, particularly if the same problem is implicated or highlighted in the reporting. Longer term, it’s not a big deal. The sins (perhaps more serious) of the DC-10 were forgotten. Few recall the early and fairly serious issues with the B789s. The MAX series will, I hope, suffer a similar fate.

Of course, trite as it sounds, renaming the plane may be the simplest solution to assuage any extant concerns of the general public.
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Old Jan 1, 21, 5:00 pm
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99%+ of the public won't know if they are flying on a MAX even if they intend to avoid flying said aircraft.
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Old Jan 1, 21, 5:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Repooc17 View Post
99%+ of the public won't know if they are flying on a MAX even if they intend to avoid flying said aircraft.
That’s my point. If you stuck a microphone in front of most passengers and asked them how they enjoyed their trip on the new Boeing Airbus, they’d answer without hesitation.
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Old Jan 1, 21, 10:41 pm
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Originally Posted by DELee View Post
Well, for those who have been getting these new screens, would be interested to see if UA's showing 737-800/900 or 737-MAX8/MAX9.

David
Where a MAX aircraft is scheduled, it would have to say MAX 9. A MAX 9 is a different airplane than a 737-900. Just displaying the latter would be intentionally misleading (though obviously, there’s always a chance of swaps at some point). UA has said they are allowing people to change off of MAX without penalty, even prior to ‘no change fees’. There’s no reason to suggest that won’t be the case - at least for the time being.

Originally Posted by DELee View Post
Thanks - will be interesting to see if the general populace cares.

David
Most of the general population will notice the departure/arrival time and the price - most will be most concerned with the latter. Most won’t even know what kind of plane they are on until after they board, and even then, many will only know if they decide to look at the safety card with the type printed on it.

Originally Posted by exp View Post
Or do they really have no other choice but to deploy this aircraft?
sure they have a choice. But what are they going to do?

They could try and negotiate their way out of the contract to take delivery of the rest, I suppose, but then they are going to be short a lot of aircraft they need to run their schedule (at least, when things get back to normal).

also, given the economics they probably want to use them. Especially now, with travel as it is, those fuel savings over the -900 is going to be important. They are also likely paying for these as opposed to many of the older aircraft. So why would they not run them?
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Old Jan 2, 21, 7:13 am
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I can only answer for myself... I’ll be indifferent when it comes to selecting a 739 vs a MAX9.
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Old Jan 13, 21, 10:29 am
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By the way, United has a dedicated webpage regarding the resumption of its MAX flights:
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...t/737-MAX.html

"Pilot training
All United pilots who will fly the 737 MAX will undergo FAA-approved training to learn how the updated software will impact the flight controls and practice how to respond to scenarios they may encounter in the sky. The training includes:
  • Computer-based instruction
  • Hands-on training in a full-flight simulator
  • A systems briefing, checklist and quick-reference handbook"
And much more information, including a couple of videos posted to YouTube, such as this one:
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Old Jan 13, 21, 1:19 pm
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Looking at Vegas trips in FEB for holiday weekend, and most flights are now Maxs.
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Old Jan 14, 21, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by dcsnowwake View Post
Looking at Vegas trips in FEB for holiday weekend, and most flights are now Maxs.
excellent - 2 places I want to avoid - crowded casinos and defective jetliners.
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