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UA is adding another flight (seasonal, 4x weekly) to ICN from SFO?? why?

UA is adding another flight (seasonal, 4x weekly) to ICN from SFO?? why?

Old Jan 21, 19, 6:42 pm
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Second SFO-ICN flight is not year round?

My family and I will need to make a trip to Seoul sometime late this year or early in 2020. For grins I was checking airfare and schedules and do not see the second SFO-ICN flight operating in either November or December this year. I have not checked next January. So, the second flight is not operating during those months, or maybe just not loaded yet?

From a time of day perspective I prefer the earlier 787 flight but if unable to secure upgrades or reasonable price for business class I/we would go for the Premium Economy seats on the 777.
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Old Jan 21, 19, 7:59 pm
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It's not planned for all months, or even all days in the months it does operate:

Code:
   month    | daily_flights 
------------+---------------
 2020-03-01 |           1.0
 2020-02-01 |           1.0
 2020-01-01 |           1.0
 2019-12-01 |           1.0
 2019-11-01 |           1.0
 2019-10-01 |           1.5
 2019-09-01 |           1.6
 2019-08-01 |           1.6
 2019-07-01 |           1.6
 2019-06-01 |           1.6
 2019-05-01 |           1.5
 2019-04-01 |           1.6
 2019-03-01 |           1.0
 2019-02-01 |           1.0
 2019-01-01 |           1.0
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Old Jan 21, 19, 8:04 pm
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San Francisco (SFO) Seoul (ICN) A second flight, flown four times per week beginning April 1, 2019. Operated by a Boeing 777-200ER on the following schedule:
  • UA805 San Francisco (SFO) 4:55pm Departure ⇒ Seoul (ICN) 9:35pm (+1) Arrival Mondays/Tuesdays/Thursdays/Saturdays
  • UA806 Seoul (ICN) 11:25am Departure ⇒ San Francisco (SFO) 6:10am Arrival Mondays/Wednesdays/Thursdays/Saturdays
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Old Jan 21, 19, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by bdw1120 View Post
San Francisco (SFO) Seoul (ICN) A second flight, flown four times per week beginning April 1, 2019. Operated by a Boeing 777-200ER on the following schedule:
  • UA805 San Francisco (SFO) 4:55pm Departure ⇒ Seoul (ICN) 9:35pm (+1) Arrival Mondays/Tuesdays/Thursdays/Saturdays
  • UA806 Seoul (ICN) 11:25am Departure ⇒ San Francisco (SFO) 6:10am Arrival Mondays/Wednesdays/Thursdays/Saturdays
Too bad it's not a midnight SFO departure. 9:35 pm ICN arrival is too late for most connections.
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Old Jan 23, 19, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by mduell View Post
It's not planned for all months, or even all days in the months it does operate:

Code:
month daily_flights
------------+---------------
2020-03-01 1.0
2020-02-01 1.0
2020-01-01 1.0
2019-12-01 1.0
2019-11-01 1.0
2019-10-01 1.5
2019-09-01 1.6
2019-08-01 1.6
2019-07-01 1.6
2019-06-01 1.6
2019-05-01 1.5
2019-04-01 1.6
2019-03-01 1.0
2019-02-01 1.0
2019-01-01 1.0
I will have to go back and read the announcement of the new service but the first time I read it I did not see any mention of of a 5 month a year hiatus (November through March). I guess Seoul isn't a big winter tourist destination!
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Old Jan 24, 19, 7:59 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
Too bad it's not a midnight SFO departure. 9:35 pm ICN arrival is too late for most connections.
I wish UA had more midnight TPAC departures in general ex-EWR/SFO
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Old Mar 4, 19, 12:57 am
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UA is adding another flight to ICN from SFO?? why?

yes another flight out of ICN was needed but to SFO ?? why not IAD or EWR or ORD at the worst. Whats the point of 2 flights a day from same airport?
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Old Mar 4, 19, 1:01 am
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Originally Posted by UA1KPHL View Post
yes another flight out of ICN was needed but to SFO ?? why not IAD or EWR or ORD at the worst. Whats the point of 2 flights a day from same airport?
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Collect connections?
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Old Mar 4, 19, 1:05 am
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Originally Posted by fumje View Post
Collect connections?
yes but its only 6 hrs later and you dont get any of those direct fliers who want a direct flight but at different price points.
And some of those connections must come from east coast no?
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Old Mar 4, 19, 1:15 am
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Originally Posted by UA1KPHL View Post
yes but its only 6 hrs later and you dont get any of those direct fliers who want a direct flight but at different price points.
And some of those connections must come from east coast no?
Does 'different' mean lower? Who wants different if it's anything else? But I can't see any reason UA would add a second flight just to offer a lower price.

I suppose you can come up with a strategy that splits AM/PM across coastal hubs, but this seems to be the way UA likes to add second flights, and I estimate there are a lot of logistical advantages to concentrating. For instance if one cancels at least you don't have to fly across the country to recover.
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Old Mar 4, 19, 1:59 am
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Old Mar 4, 19, 3:05 am
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Originally Posted by CO_Nonrev_elite View Post
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Makes sense. It also allows UA to offer a late morning departure from ICN, which eliminates that horrible 10 hour layover if connecting from Southeast Asia.

Still, there would have been more interesting uses of the aircraft required to operate the additional frequency.
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Old Mar 4, 19, 6:34 am
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Korean companies wont take US carriers up front, so it's not for Samsung. Connections is definitely part of it - also fares are not the highest so from a cost perspective it is the lowest cost way to serve this high demand market while being profitable.
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Old Mar 4, 19, 6:48 am
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There was a report in a.net which showed that yields on NYC-ICN for United were very low. And before starting ICN, they could start a second TYO flight and extract higher returns.

The Asian market is tricky right now

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Old Mar 4, 19, 7:28 am
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https://hub.united.com/united-announ...623210816.html
new flight is only 4x weekly?
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