UA (C5) 4933 Runway Excursion at PQI on 4 March 2019
Mar 8, 2019, 9:04 am
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Ouch. Since the international passenger contact information requestson the back of boarding passes tells agents to reference DRS GG EME CTC I'm with you in assuming "EME" is the general emergency procedures DRS (and CTC would be contact info procedures)
Based on Flight memory I've been on that A/C twice, but both times when it was under the ExpressJet certificate. Hope everyone was OK but from the pics I doubt that frame will be back in the air.
And I've always dereaded "See Agent" on flight status boards.
Mar 8, 2019, 9:16 am
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I was flying an early morning Air France NAP-CDG on 6/1/09, the day AF447 was due to arrive CDG. As we were boarding in Naples, crewmembers were discussing, in hushed French, a "missing" airplane. This, for me, was in the days of much more limited international data roaming, so I had taken my iPhone (3G) off the WiFi in the airport and did not learn any more about the flight until we landed in Paris. At that time, word had gotten out that it was AF447 from GIG, and as I walked through the arrivals area, the flight was still on the boards, with the words, "See Agent" cycling through. Families and news media were starting to arrive, and suffice to say, it was an eerie, upsetting scene.
Mar 22, 2019, 2:48 pm
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The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine — it missed the runway altogether.
A preliminary report Thursday [March 21] indicates the 50-seat Embraer 145 approached to the right of the runway on an aborted first landing attempt and then again when it touched down March 4 at Presque Isle International Airport.
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/unite...port-indicates
A preliminary report Thursday [March 21] indicates the 50-seat Embraer 145 approached to the right of the runway on an aborted first landing attempt and then again when it touched down March 4 at Presque Isle International Airport.
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/unite...port-indicates
Mar 22, 2019, 3:11 pm
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Not entirely surprising based on the photos-- but does anyone have a link to the primary source? NTSB.gov doesn't have it listed in their recent reports nor does it look like they've even tweeted about it yet.
Mar 22, 2019, 3:43 pm
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A non-Fox News report.
Investigators say plane missed the runway at Presque Isle airport
PRESQUE ISLE, Maine — The United Express passenger plane that ended up off the runway at Presque Isle International Airport on March 4 missed the runway on its approach and landed to the right of it, according to a preliminary report by investigators with the National Safety Transportation Board.
The city initially reported that the 50-seat Embraer 145 jet flying in from Newark, New Jersey, with 31 people on board, had landed on the runway and then skidded off into the snowy field.
The NTSB Aviation Accident Preliminary Report released Thursday, however, indicates that the aircraft “landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow.”
The city initially reported that the 50-seat Embraer 145 jet flying in from Newark, New Jersey, with 31 people on board, had landed on the runway and then skidded off into the snowy field.
The NTSB Aviation Accident Preliminary Report released Thursday, however, indicates that the aircraft “landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow.”
Terry Williams, a spokesman for the NTSB, said earlier this month that a full report with an analysis and conclusion of what led to the accident would not be completed and issued for about a year.
Mar 22, 2019, 4:02 pm
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My non-scientific arm-chair investigator interpretation based on the attitude of the plane is that initial contact with the ground was roughly where the snow disturbance started near the bottom of the image. The aircraft then traveled parallel to the runway until coming to a rest along the path of disturbed snow extending towards the top of the image. The area around the aircraft was then excavated/plowed/disturbed as part of the ARFF efforts.
Mar 22, 2019, 7:22 pm
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Mar 22, 2019, 11:40 pm
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Mar 24, 2019, 6:41 am
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An aircraft sliding through the snow would have a much wider footprint. The only way an aircraft could make a path like that would be if only the nose gear dragged through the snow for ~150 feet, and then the aircraft came to a complete stop in less than 2 feet...
That looks like a tracks from a person walking in snow.
Mar 24, 2019, 9:04 am
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Indeed.
An aircraft sliding through the snow would have a much wider footprint. The only way an aircraft could make a path like that would be if only the nose gear dragged through the snow for ~150 feet, and then the aircraft came to a complete stop in less than 2 feet...
That looks like a tracks from a person walking in snow.
I am surprised that if conditions were that bad (it was snowing pretty hard that day and VERY windy) that they didn't head to Bangor or Portland where it may have been better. (Not that Bangor was much better, there were a lot of cancellations that day.)
Mar 24, 2019, 9:13 am
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Those are some pretty big tracks. I think if we had an image that went down further it may be easier to make things out. The path that is there is pretty clearly the same width of the plane. (Central maine had a nasty snow storm that day, northern Maine had several and there is still a significant amount of snow there.) it is plausible that the tracks is what the aircraft had made after a few bounces.
I am surprised that if conditions were that bad (it was snowing pretty hard that day and VERY windy) that they didn't head to Bangor or Portland where it may have been better. (Not that Bangor was much better, there were a lot of cancellations that day.)
I am surprised that if conditions were that bad (it was snowing pretty hard that day and VERY windy) that they didn't head to Bangor or Portland where it may have been better. (Not that Bangor was much better, there were a lot of cancellations that day.)
Would the pilots for flight operations have been responsible for the decision to divert or not? And does it look like the pilots are in trouble for what happened to that aircraft? If so, would the primary responsibility go to the captain, the pilot actually at the controls doing the landing, or both?
