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India/Pakistan 2019 conflict impacts UA to India,DEL suspended 5 Apr 19 until 5 Sept?

India/Pakistan 2019 conflict impacts UA to India,DEL suspended 5 Apr 19 until 5 Sept?

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*** Email 7/30/19 - EWR-DEL/BOM nonstops resume September 6th.***


Posted 16 Juky 2019


Posted 15 July 2019


Posted 21 June 2019


Older Updates -- DEL "Cancellations" extended thru end of July 2019 (although Travel Alerts still refers to July 2)

Was "announced" in the Q1 earnings conference call today this would be extended to 2 July 2019, the data in "Travel waivers" has not been updated.
DEL service suspended until July
Due to seasonal winds and the continued closure of Pakistani airspace, we’re currently unable to operate our flights between New York/Newark (EWR) and New Delhi (DEL) while meeting crew flying time requirements. Beginning April 5, in order to minimize the inconveniences for our customers, we will suspend the service until July 2 for eastbound flights and July 3 for westbound flights. We’ll continue to closely monitor this situation and remain in contact with U.S. government authorities and our international partners. We’re also reaching out directly to our customers booked on these flights to provide alternative travel options, including rebooking on other airlines or offering full refunds. We will continue to operate our nonstop flights from New York/Newark to Mumbai (BOM).


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Old Feb 27, 19, 3:42 am
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India/Pakistan 2019 conflict impacts UA to India,DEL suspended 5 Apr 19 until 5 Sept?

I'm on UA, and internet is spotty - so sorry in advance

we were en route EWR-BOM and just about over Moscow, when the pilot comes on and says "We're diverting to Frankfurt -Airspace closed no information available. Landing there in 1 hr41mins."


I'll try and send an update when I land, but if anyone knows why in advance, that would be fun to know the reason.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 3:44 am
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I suspect because of closed Pakistani airspace. Will be a mess.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 3:45 am
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Pakistani airspace closed due to conflict with India
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Old Feb 27, 19, 3:48 am
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Maybe related to very recent India Air Force attack within Pakistan. Maybe anti-aircraft defenses are on alert.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 3:54 am
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thanks for the quick responses... yes, looking to be a mess for sure!
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Old Feb 27, 19, 3:57 am
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For Mumbai, you'll have to approach west of Pakistan, which would clearly be a major diversion if you are already over Moscow. My guess is that the plane did not have sufficient fuel to skirt Pakistan altogether. With two Indian jets shot down over Pakistan, it would be unwise to fly anywhere near that area currently.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 5:38 am
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As OP Is traveling, he cannot see it, but there are significant cancellations and then diversions of airborne flights as Pakistan has closed its airspace. As this is not an inflight emergency requiring an immediate diversion, best to return to FRA where UA has a base and can deal with the issue.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 6:22 am
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Much better than AC42 - turning around to go back to YYZ half way enroute to DEL. Gonna be a long day for those pax in knee-crushing AC Y.

EWR-DEL diverted to LHR
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Old Feb 27, 19, 9:06 am
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I feel for anyone on the diversion. FRA did as good of a job as possible all things considered. The agents were certainly overwhelmed at first. There are flights going around Pakistan, and as per the ground agent here in FRA, Non US carriers can route over Iran (I can't independently verify this - so I am only reporting what I heard) , so there are options from FRA - and likely LHR as well. Hopefully things trend towards calming vs escalation in the region.
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Not a great option, lots of pax that may need EU visas.
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Tonight's (Wednesday) EWR-BOM/DEL departures both show 'on schedule'.

AI's SFO-DEL is probably the longest flight into DEL that is affected, but the 77L should be able to handle the deviation.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by UAgeek71 View Post
Non US carriers can route over Iran.
So US carriers (e.g., UA) cannot overfly Iran? Makes life rather difficult if both Iranian AND Pakistani airspace is closed to them (either/or looks manageable).

I've only flown European or ME carriers into India and we frequently overflew Iran, so was unaware of this.
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I think US carriers can overfly Iran if they choose, but it is highly discouraged by the US gov't due to security risks in the air and on the ground in the event of an emergency.

If you review the historical flight routing for UA48, it looks like on most days the aircraft overflies the northeastern tip of Iran.

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So US carriers (e.g., UA) cannot overfly Iran?
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Old Feb 27, 19, 11:17 am
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I’d say at least 1/3 of the passengers did not have eu Visa upon landing in Fra, just based on how they made everyone cue up.

For those w/o it seems UA booked anyone who they couldn’t get out today in a hotel room in the transit area. Definitely none of those unlucky passengers were allowed to leave the secured terminal they brought us to (b side) Shengen
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo View Post
For Mumbai, you'll have to approach west of Pakistan, which would clearly be a major diversion if you are already over Moscow. My guess is that the plane did not have sufficient fuel to skirt Pakistan altogether. With two Indian jets shot down over Pakistan, it would be unwise to fly anywhere near that area currently.
Can you share the source of "two Indian jets shot down "...presumably IAF ?
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