Apr 16, 2019, 4:16 pm
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*** Email 7/30/19 - EWR-DEL/BOM nonstops resume September 6th.***
Posted 16 Juky 2019
Posted 15 July 2019
Posted 21 June 2019
Older Updates -- DEL "Cancellations" extended thru end of July 2019 (although Travel Alerts still refers to July 2)
Was "announced" in the Q1 earnings conference call today this would be extended to 2 July 2019, the data in "Travel waivers" has not been updated.
related thread -]UA 48/49 EWR BOM suspended due to "current events in Iran" 20 June 2019 until 1 Sept?
Posted 16 Juky 2019
Posted 15 July 2019
Posted 21 June 2019
Older Updates -- DEL "Cancellations" extended thru end of July 2019 (although Travel Alerts still refers to July 2)
Was "announced" in the Q1 earnings conference call today this would be extended to 2 July 2019, the data in "Travel waivers" has not been updated.
DEL service suspended until July
Due to seasonal winds and the continued closure of Pakistani airspace, we’re currently unable to operate our flights between New York/Newark (EWR) and New Delhi (DEL) while meeting crew flying time requirements. Beginning April 5, in order to minimize the inconveniences for our customers, we will suspend the service until July 2 for eastbound flights and July 3 for westbound flights. We’ll continue to closely monitor this situation and remain in contact with U.S. government authorities and our international partners. We’re also reaching out directly to our customers booked on these flights to provide alternative travel options, including rebooking on other airlines or offering full refunds. We will continue to operate our nonstop flights from New York/Newark to Mumbai (BOM).
Due to seasonal winds and the continued closure of Pakistani airspace, we’re currently unable to operate our flights between New York/Newark (EWR) and New Delhi (DEL) while meeting crew flying time requirements. Beginning April 5, in order to minimize the inconveniences for our customers, we will suspend the service until July 2 for eastbound flights and July 3 for westbound flights. We’ll continue to closely monitor this situation and remain in contact with U.S. government authorities and our international partners. We’re also reaching out directly to our customers booked on these flights to provide alternative travel options, including rebooking on other airlines or offering full refunds. We will continue to operate our nonstop flights from New York/Newark to Mumbai (BOM).
related thread -]UA 48/49 EWR BOM suspended due to "current events in Iran" 20 June 2019 until 1 Sept?
India/Pakistan 2019 conflict impacts UA to India,DEL suspended 5 Apr 19 until 5 Sept?
Apr 5, 2019, 10:05 pm
#122
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Apr 6, 2019, 8:21 am
#124
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I have the same question. How do the crews work the SFO-SIN flights and what's different about these that the crew times out? Even with the re-route around Pakistani airspace, wouldn't DEL-EWR be shorter than SFO-SIN?
Apr 6, 2019, 8:30 am
#125
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The 789 has longer range than the 772 does. I am a bit surprised that at 7,324 miles, it would seem that the sCO 772 has some mileage to spare (EWR-HKG, which it used to fly, clocks north of 8,000 miles), but I guess it's enough to make it tricky.
Apr 6, 2019, 10:38 am
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Apr 6, 2019, 2:59 pm
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the FDP can also be dependant on departure time. The HKG flights leave much earlier in the day, so crew fatigue is viewed as less of a risk compared to the late evening departures. Hence the more restrictive FDP. If the India flight left 3 hours earlier, their FDP would be extended.
There are a lot of details and specifics within FAR 117 and the pilot contract that dictate legality and contractual requirements. I am no expert of either of the two, but I have a high level of understanding.
The DEL/BOM flights are the most restrictive crew flights in the airline due to a combination of departure times + layover rest which dictate their required duty periods.
It has become too costly to run the DEL stops, while under the microscope of the FAA and DOT regarding the legality of the flight. It's just safe to cancel the flights and revisit them when conditions allow us to operate the flight safely, legally and efficiently.
This isn't an aircraft range issue. This is a crew legality issue. The 777's are perfectly capable to operate these flights (DEL/BOM) with the airspace restrictions, the legal crew time isn't. (I explained why in the previous post)
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Apr 6, 2019, 3:11 pm
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Which First Class passengers on United? I believe to understand United got rid of First Class. Rebooking in Business shouldn't be an issue.
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Apr 9, 2019, 7:10 am
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Sorry I mean Business Class - Just got off the phone with United Global Services; my trip is the first week of May via DEL to the Maldives. United is not allowing me to change my routing until after the 19th, when in when they will know more. As a Global Services member, I am very disappointed as I want to change my routing now as I can't take the chance of missing a connection to the Maldives. If the schedule gets cancelled past the 19th, I can see a big cluster !@#$ which could all have been prevented if they allowed some flexibility now.
Apr 14, 2019, 9:16 am
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Looks like UA49 today (Sunday April 14 IST) out of Mumbai is cancelled and the plane is heading to Newark via Frankfurt on Tuesday.
I'm on 49 on Monday the 15th and got notice we are now delayed, with a stop in Munich. I guess the direct flights are gone again due to the conflict.
I'm on 49 on Monday the 15th and got notice we are now delayed, with a stop in Munich. I guess the direct flights are gone again due to the conflict.
Apr 14, 2019, 10:28 am
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Looks like UA49 today (Sunday April 14 IST) out of Mumbai is cancelled and the plane is heading to Newark via Frankfurt on Tuesday.
I'm on 49 on Monday the 15th and got notice we are now delayed, with a stop in Munich. I guess the direct flights are gone again due to the conflict.
I'm on 49 on Monday the 15th and got notice we are now delayed, with a stop in Munich. I guess the direct flights are gone again due to the conflict.
Not sure as to what specifically caused the added tech stop this time around as we were able to operate non-stop for about a week with Iran closed, however it could be do to current headwinds and the flight time exceeding the duty limits on the west bound flights.
Apr 16, 2019, 12:44 pm
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Maybe call United today and see what they are telling you.
Apr 16, 2019, 1:58 pm
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It's extended through May 9, but if you want to waive difference in fare you need to rebook to/from your original cities by May 16. Any dates after May 16 they will waive the change fee but not the fare difference. Or you can just get a full refund without penalty.
(Looks like they updated the first bullet in the right-most box bot not the second, but the intent is clear.)
Apr 16, 2019, 6:47 pm
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Interesting - Global Services called me this past Friday and told me that it was extended until May 8th and rerouted me through Mumbai for a flight that I had scheduled on May 7th. The Rep told me they received an e-mail about the extension.
Maybe call United today and see what they are telling you.
Maybe call United today and see what they are telling you.
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