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Old Feb 21, 2019, 1:00 pm
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United Airlines Adds Service to Tokyo, Haneda with Routes from Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C.

CHICAGO, Aug. 16, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced it will begin service between four of its U.S. hubs and Tokyo's Haneda International Airport, located approximately 15 minutes from downtown Tokyo. United will begin operating nonstop service between Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C. and Haneda on March 28, 2020, subject to government approval. United currently offers daily nonstop service between San Francisco and Haneda. Tickets for United's new Haneda flights will be available for purchase starting Saturday, August 17.

In addition to United's new Haneda flights, Tokyo's Narita International airport will continue to be a hub for United with nonstop daily service between Narita and Denver, Guam, Honolulu, Houston, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and San Francisco. With the start of these new routes, United will no longer serve Narita from its Chicago and Washington D.C. hubs, and will shift these flights from Narita to Haneda.

"Our new service to Haneda gives our customers more choice and connections to more than 65 destinations throughout Asia. With service beginning next spring, we look forward to providing convenient service for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and beyond," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "United has offered nonstop service between the U.S. and Japan for more than 40 years and we are excited to expand our Japan network at Tokyo's Haneda Airport and continue to be the largest U.S. carrier to Japan."

United commends the efforts of Secretary Elaine Chao, her team at the U.S. Department of Transportation and officials at the U.S. State Department in making additional services at Tokyo Haneda a reality starting spring 2020.[/quote]





2019 HANEDA COMBINATION SERVICES
ALLOCATION PROCEEDING
DOCKET DOT-OST-2019-0014


U.S. Department of Transportation Tentatively Grants United Airlines Authority to Operate New Service to Tokyo Haneda
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.

"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."

Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
  • The U.S.'s largest metropolitan area and center of finance and commerce, Newark/New York;
  • The most important logistics and transportation hub in the Midwest, Chicago;
  • The seat of the U.S. federal government, Washington, D.C.; and
  • Additional U.S. carrier service in the largest U.S. mainland - Tokyo market at Los Angeles.
This announcement will strengthen United's broad-based and end-to-end network between the United States and Japan. United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network. Throughout this proceeding United has been the only U.S. airline to recognize the unique benefits that Tokyo Haneda and Tokyo Narita offer to the traveling public.


Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
United Applies to Serve Tokyo Haneda from Six Leading U.S. Hubs Where Demand Is Highest

Proposed daily nonstop flights from hubs at Newark Liberty, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles, Los Angeles International, Houston George Bush and Guam will maximize choice and convenience for U.S. consumers and businesses

CHICAGO, Feb. 21, 2019
-- United Airlines announced today it has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a total of six daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND) from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Guam's A.B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, and slots awarded by DOT, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.

United has presented a proposal maximized to meet consumer demand and benefit U.S. travelers. Together, the flights from five U.S. mainland hub cities and Guam will connect Tokyo Haneda with 112 U.S. airports, representing approximately two thirds of U.S.-Tokyo demand, or more than three million annual Tokyo bookings. With United's proposed routes representing five of the six largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. mainland and a combined population of nearly 56 million, the new flights requested in this proceeding will provide consumers with more choices and more convenient options when selecting Tokyo Haneda for their travel plans.

"If awarded by the DOT, these new nonstop flights would expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "Tokyo is a hub of 21st century global commerce and innovation and one of the world's most popular tourist destinations. Today's filing demonstrates United's unparalleled commitment to helping more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city. Our proposed flights to Tokyo Haneda will offer an unrivaled experience and maximize choice and convenience for our customers traveling between the United States and Tokyo for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 and beyond."

United's proposed daily flights from Newark/New York, Los Angeles and Guam would supplement the airline's existing daily flights between those hubs and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT), while United would shift existing daily nonstop Chicago, Washington D.C. and Houston flights from Tokyo Narita to Tokyo Haneda.United's application will also support American businesses and help grow the U.S. economy by offering direct flights from key business, government and cultural hubs where demand for flights to Haneda, the closest airport to central Tokyo, is the highest. With these new flights in place, United would provide Haneda service from:
  • The largest market for travel demand between the U.S. mainland and Tokyo (Los Angeles);
  • The two largest markets for travel demand between the East Coast and Tokyo (Newark/New York and Washington, D.C.);
  • The two largest markets for travel demand between the central U.S. and Tokyo (Chicago and Houston); and
  • Guam, a market with significant travel demand from a Japanese tourist base that is critical to the island's tourism industry, economy and job market.
United's proposal would help realize the full potential of these new routes for U.S. consumers and businesses by expanding United's broad-based and end-to-end network between the United States and Japan.

United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network when combined with nonstop or single-connection service from 112 U.S. airports.

United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from 100 percent of its U.S. hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.United's application is in response to the U.S. DOT instituting a competitive route proceeding to allocate slot pairs, with today's application filed under DOT proceeding # DOT-OST-2019-0014. For more information about United's bid, please visit www.UnitedToHaneda.com.
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UA applies for 6x additional HND slots - UA gets EWR, ORD, IAD, LAX

Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:04 am
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Interesting. Is Haneda better for ANA connections to Asia? I always thought NRT had more flights on ANA to other places in Asia, but I admit I don't know too much about that.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:06 am
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Something to keep in mind is for the cities losing Narita service, ANA still serves them, so if you still need to go to Narita for connection purposes you'll still have that route.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:12 am
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They better be looking to align some connecting flights.

From HND to BKK, the only *A flights on the schedule allowing connections from UA flights are midnight departures. Not going to cut it with ~4PM arrivals.
Loosing ORD and IAD to Narrita hurts a lot if they aren't going to align better connections.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by UAL250
Interesting. Is Haneda better for ANA connections to Asia? I always thought NRT had more flights on ANA to other places in Asia, but I admit I don't know too much about that.
Due to limits slots and close proximity to Tokyo, Haneda is catered towards Tokyo O&D passengers, with flights leaving in the mornings or red eyes, whereas NRT is focused on connections where flights are scheduled to arrive and depart from 3-6pm. For instance, both JL and NH flight to JFK leaves in the morning from HND, but their flights from NRT leave in the afternoon to collect transit passengers from Asia.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
They better be looking to align some connecting flights.

From HND to BKK, the only *A flights on the schedule allowing connections from UA flights are midnight departures. Not going to cut it with ~4PM arrivals.
Loosing ORD and IAD to Narrita hurts a lot if they aren't going to align better connections.
Aren’t the NH flights from ORD and IAD to NRT code share flights anyway?
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by m.y
Due to limits slots and close proximity to Tokyo, Haneda is catered towards Tokyo O&D passengers, with flights leaving in the mornings or red eyes, whereas NRT is focused on connections where flights are scheduled to arrive and depart from 3-6pm. For instance, both JL and NH flight to JFK leaves in the morning from HND, but their flights from NRT leave in the afternoon to collect transit passengers from Asia.
Yep, I looked it up on Flightaware, and the connections are pretty awful outside Japan for the IAD and ORD flight times. If they don't realign better, I'll probably have to go through NRT since it's pretty much impossible to get a J upgrade using UA miles on ANA.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by JimInOhio

Aren’t the NH flights from ORD and IAD to NRT code share flights anyway?
Probably, due to the JV. But I don't book JV flights. No E+, No lifetime flight miles, etc.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
They better be looking to align some connecting flights.
There's little chance of that. The reason this is such a coup for the US carriers is that HND is a huge O&D market. The intent is clearly to use NRT for connecting passengers and HND for passengers heading to Tokyo (or, to Japan, anyway).

Yes, that means that passengers from ORD or IAD will need to fly ANA to NRT or will need to add a connection. That's the point of the JV from UA's perspective.

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Probably, due to the JV. But I don't book JV flights. No E+, No lifetime flight miles, etc.
I understand that, but UA doesn't really care about those things. They're calculating that you, and people like you, will either suck it up and fly ANA, or will add a connection to fly UA. While E+ is a competitive advantage, 99% of the flying public has no reason to care about lifetime miles.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
Probably, due to the JV. But I don't book JV flights. No E+, No lifetime flight miles, etc.
The NH ORD-NRT flight also has 34" pitch for ALL economy seats, so E+ is a moot point, and a much nicer 2-4-3 configuration as well.

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Originally Posted by LeisureFlyerORD
The NH ORD-NRT flight also has 34" pitch for ALL economy seats, so E+ is a mute point, and a much nicer 2-4-3 configuration as well.
Perhaps. I don't track other airlines frames, and the possibility of switch outs, etc. Spend enough time trying to keep track of United metal.
United is not metal-agnostic when it comes to benefits, so neither am I.

And likely a moot point for me anyway, as I am becoming less tethered to United with the recent devaluations. Most of my SEA travel is via Hong Kong and other airlines onward.
Not great for United to lose "Stickiness" to its customers.

For those that are travelling ORD/IAD to Toyko only, probably a good change. Hopefully United can fill the planes with just those folks.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 2:45 pm
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United is not metal-agnostic when it comes to benefits, so neither am I.
The other ones that come to mind are certain types of baggage waivers in Y, and arrival/connecting Polaris Lounge access in J.

Plus GS-qualifying spend and the 4-segment requirement for any Premier level.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 2:52 pm
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Anyone know why the new LAX/EWR flights to/from HND are banked roughly the same time as NRT?

Was it a slot or rotation issue at HND? I would imagine that UA wants to offer different times (USA-TYO wastes a day in both USA and Tokyo). I understand that these are supposed to be (premium) daytime slots versus night slots
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EWR-TYO is 11am-2pm, TYO-EWR is 5pm-5pm

​​​​​​LAX-TYO is 12pm-4pm, TYO-LAX is 5pm-12pm
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Originally Posted by LeisureFlyerORD
The NH ORD-NRT flight also has 34" pitch for ALL economy seats, so E+ is a mute point, and a much nicer 2-4-3 configuration as well.
It might be very quiet, but it's a moot point.
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Looks like flights are starting to be loaded for sale, but only Y, B, and J fares so far.
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Old Aug 17, 2019, 5:23 am
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Originally Posted by villox
Looks like flights are starting to be loaded for sale, but only Y, B, and J fares so far.
Inaugural only loaded up to q

3/31 ewr-hnd has everything loaded (up to K/G/N)

Seat map for ewr-hnd seems to be old 777-200 2-2-2 business class? They would want to use Polaris business for this route?

As far as I can see, same cheap fare basis works for connecting NRT or HND, no explicit restrictions for HND
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