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United Airlines Adds Service to Tokyo, Haneda with Routes from Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C.
CHICAGO, Aug. 16, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced it will begin service between four of its U.S. hubs and Tokyo's Haneda International Airport, located approximately 15 minutes from downtown Tokyo. United will begin operating nonstop service between Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C. and Haneda on March 28, 2020, subject to government approval. United currently offers daily nonstop service between San Francisco and Haneda. Tickets for United's new Haneda flights will be available for purchase starting Saturday, August 17.
In addition to United's new Haneda flights, Tokyo's Narita International airport will continue to be a hub for United with nonstop daily service between Narita and Denver, Guam, Honolulu, Houston, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and San Francisco. With the start of these new routes, United will no longer serve Narita from its Chicago and Washington D.C. hubs, and will shift these flights from Narita to Haneda.
"Our new service to Haneda gives our customers more choice and connections to more than 65 destinations throughout Asia. With service beginning next spring, we look forward to providing convenient service for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and beyond," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "United has offered nonstop service between the U.S. and Japan for more than 40 years and we are excited to expand our Japan network at Tokyo's Haneda Airport and continue to be the largest U.S. carrier to Japan."
United commends the efforts of Secretary Elaine Chao, her team at the U.S. Department of Transportation and officials at the U.S. State Department in making additional services at Tokyo Haneda a reality starting spring 2020.[/quote]
2019 HANEDA COMBINATION SERVICES
ALLOCATION PROCEEDING
DOCKET DOT-OST-2019-0014
United Airlines Adds Service to Tokyo, Haneda with Routes from Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C.
CHICAGO, Aug. 16, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced it will begin service between four of its U.S. hubs and Tokyo's Haneda International Airport, located approximately 15 minutes from downtown Tokyo. United will begin operating nonstop service between Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C. and Haneda on March 28, 2020, subject to government approval. United currently offers daily nonstop service between San Francisco and Haneda. Tickets for United's new Haneda flights will be available for purchase starting Saturday, August 17.
In addition to United's new Haneda flights, Tokyo's Narita International airport will continue to be a hub for United with nonstop daily service between Narita and Denver, Guam, Honolulu, Houston, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and San Francisco. With the start of these new routes, United will no longer serve Narita from its Chicago and Washington D.C. hubs, and will shift these flights from Narita to Haneda.
"Our new service to Haneda gives our customers more choice and connections to more than 65 destinations throughout Asia. With service beginning next spring, we look forward to providing convenient service for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and beyond," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "United has offered nonstop service between the U.S. and Japan for more than 40 years and we are excited to expand our Japan network at Tokyo's Haneda Airport and continue to be the largest U.S. carrier to Japan."
United commends the efforts of Secretary Elaine Chao, her team at the U.S. Department of Transportation and officials at the U.S. State Department in making additional services at Tokyo Haneda a reality starting spring 2020.[/quote]
2019 HANEDA COMBINATION SERVICES
ALLOCATION PROCEEDING
DOCKET DOT-OST-2019-0014
U.S. Department of Transportation Tentatively Grants United Airlines Authority to Operate New Service to Tokyo Haneda
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."
Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."
Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
- The U.S.'s largest metropolitan area and center of finance and commerce, Newark/New York;
- The most important logistics and transportation hub in the Midwest, Chicago;
- The seat of the U.S. federal government, Washington, D.C.; and
- Additional U.S. carrier service in the largest U.S. mainland - Tokyo market at Los Angeles.
Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
United Applies to Serve Tokyo Haneda from Six Leading U.S. Hubs Where Demand Is Highest
Proposed daily nonstop flights from hubs at Newark Liberty, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles, Los Angeles International, Houston George Bush and Guam will maximize choice and convenience for U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, Feb. 21, 2019
-- United Airlines announced today it has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a total of six daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND) from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Guam's A.B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, and slots awarded by DOT, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
United has presented a proposal maximized to meet consumer demand and benefit U.S. travelers. Together, the flights from five U.S. mainland hub cities and Guam will connect Tokyo Haneda with 112 U.S. airports, representing approximately two thirds of U.S.-Tokyo demand, or more than three million annual Tokyo bookings. With United's proposed routes representing five of the six largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. mainland and a combined population of nearly 56 million, the new flights requested in this proceeding will provide consumers with more choices and more convenient options when selecting Tokyo Haneda for their travel plans.
"If awarded by the DOT, these new nonstop flights would expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "Tokyo is a hub of 21st century global commerce and innovation and one of the world's most popular tourist destinations. Today's filing demonstrates United's unparalleled commitment to helping more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city. Our proposed flights to Tokyo Haneda will offer an unrivaled experience and maximize choice and convenience for our customers traveling between the United States and Tokyo for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 and beyond."
United's proposed daily flights from Newark/New York, Los Angeles and Guam would supplement the airline's existing daily flights between those hubs and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT), while United would shift existing daily nonstop Chicago, Washington D.C. and Houston flights from Tokyo Narita to Tokyo Haneda.United's application will also support American businesses and help grow the U.S. economy by offering direct flights from key business, government and cultural hubs where demand for flights to Haneda, the closest airport to central Tokyo, is the highest. With these new flights in place, United would provide Haneda service from:
United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network when combined with nonstop or single-connection service from 112 U.S. airports.
United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from 100 percent of its U.S. hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.United's application is in response to the U.S. DOT instituting a competitive route proceeding to allocate slot pairs, with today's application filed under DOT proceeding # DOT-OST-2019-0014. For more information about United's bid, please visit www.UnitedToHaneda.com.
Proposed daily nonstop flights from hubs at Newark Liberty, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles, Los Angeles International, Houston George Bush and Guam will maximize choice and convenience for U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, Feb. 21, 2019
-- United Airlines announced today it has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a total of six daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND) from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Guam's A.B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, and slots awarded by DOT, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
United has presented a proposal maximized to meet consumer demand and benefit U.S. travelers. Together, the flights from five U.S. mainland hub cities and Guam will connect Tokyo Haneda with 112 U.S. airports, representing approximately two thirds of U.S.-Tokyo demand, or more than three million annual Tokyo bookings. With United's proposed routes representing five of the six largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. mainland and a combined population of nearly 56 million, the new flights requested in this proceeding will provide consumers with more choices and more convenient options when selecting Tokyo Haneda for their travel plans.
"If awarded by the DOT, these new nonstop flights would expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "Tokyo is a hub of 21st century global commerce and innovation and one of the world's most popular tourist destinations. Today's filing demonstrates United's unparalleled commitment to helping more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city. Our proposed flights to Tokyo Haneda will offer an unrivaled experience and maximize choice and convenience for our customers traveling between the United States and Tokyo for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 and beyond."
United's proposed daily flights from Newark/New York, Los Angeles and Guam would supplement the airline's existing daily flights between those hubs and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT), while United would shift existing daily nonstop Chicago, Washington D.C. and Houston flights from Tokyo Narita to Tokyo Haneda.United's application will also support American businesses and help grow the U.S. economy by offering direct flights from key business, government and cultural hubs where demand for flights to Haneda, the closest airport to central Tokyo, is the highest. With these new flights in place, United would provide Haneda service from:
- The largest market for travel demand between the U.S. mainland and Tokyo (Los Angeles);
- The two largest markets for travel demand between the East Coast and Tokyo (Newark/New York and Washington, D.C.);
- The two largest markets for travel demand between the central U.S. and Tokyo (Chicago and Houston); and
- Guam, a market with significant travel demand from a Japanese tourist base that is critical to the island's tourism industry, economy and job market.
United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network when combined with nonstop or single-connection service from 112 U.S. airports.
United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from 100 percent of its U.S. hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.United's application is in response to the U.S. DOT instituting a competitive route proceeding to allocate slot pairs, with today's application filed under DOT proceeding # DOT-OST-2019-0014. For more information about United's bid, please visit www.UnitedToHaneda.com.
UA applies for 6x additional HND slots - UA gets EWR, ORD, IAD, LAX
May 19, 2019, 10:25 pm
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I didn't say DL/KE has surpassed UA in TPAC, but it is undeniable that they are catching up and UA/NH's retreat from NRT will further reduce UA/NH capacity for Asia connections. And for obvious reasons, many east coast travelers prefer not being forced to route through SFO.
And not everyone has to go through SFO, anyway; in addition to the China frequencies, you've also got ORD-HKG and EWR-HKG. Sure, you may not want to connect onto CX, but what about O&D passengers? DL/KE have to route all of their HKG passengers through.. those same flights to ICN.
May 19, 2019, 11:27 pm
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And Japan's population is 2.5x that of S.Korea... Clearly there is more need for capacity to TYO than ICN, and that's the whole point of these HND flights.
I didn't say DL/KE has surpassed UA in TPAC, but it is undeniable that they are catching up and UA/NH's retreat from NRT will further reduce UA/NH capacity for Asia connections. And for obvious reasons, many east coast travelers prefer not being forced to route through SFO.
I didn't say DL/KE has surpassed UA in TPAC, but it is undeniable that they are catching up and UA/NH's retreat from NRT will further reduce UA/NH capacity for Asia connections. And for obvious reasons, many east coast travelers prefer not being forced to route through SFO.
DL has a different strategy. If you look at AMS DL dumps a ton of flights into there and lets everyone connect on to KL. DL probably wants to do the same with KE in ICN and over time, when the regulatory issues go away, with MU in China. These strategies drive entirely different fleet decisions, UAs strategy could only be achieved with bringing online a good amount of 787s. What you call their "retreat" from NRT would be in UAs view an intentional retreat from an uneconomical, non-viable long-term strategy and moving on to a cost effective and more customer preferred strategy.
Right or wrong, UA is growing in all metrics while working to reduce the number of connections it takes to move passengers through the network. Most passengers prefer it this way. I understand that for you it is not as important because you are trying to bank miles, but those of us who do are truly a minority.
Time will tell which strategy works well for either company. But I would be careful taking one piece of DLs strategy and then comparing that in isolation to what UA is doing in a very similar vein. UA is just not intending to be similar in this case. It does not mean they are retreating or not growing, quite the opposite in fact.
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May 19, 2019, 11:47 pm
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There must be a reason that there are no flights from HND to BKK, HAN, MNL, SHA, SGN, etc in the afternoon. I predict that JL and NH will figure out a way to overcome this impasse.
May 19, 2019, 11:59 pm
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This is the same thing UA is trying to do with IAD and EWR -- they're trying to route domestic transfers via IAD, to reserve the seats in and out of EWR for O&D plus international transfers.
NH wants to serve international transfers via NRT, not HND. I suspect JL wants to do the same.
May 20, 2019, 1:28 am
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May 20, 2019, 7:37 am
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KE has no ability to segregate its local passengers from its connecting passengers. NH does -- how many Japanese passengers will be flying NRT-US? Few, unless the HND-US planes are saturated. So, in the same number of flights, UA/NH will have mostly connecting passengers, and KE/DL will have a mixture of connecting passengers plus 100% of the home-country passengers for the operating airline.
May 20, 2019, 7:43 am
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I think it's simple: the Japanese carriers don't want to cannibalize their own services from NRT, so they avoid scheduling services at similar times from HND.
May 20, 2019, 8:03 am
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There will still be a good number of Japanese passengers flying out of NRT since NH, JL and UA won't have enough HND slots or gates to move all of their routes over. It's also possible that these airlines (or even potentially new LCC entrants) will use slots freed up at NRT to launch new US routes where there is less competition; this is how I suspect TYO-MIA/MCO/LAS will eventually happen. NRT will continue to make sense as a hub for people traveling overseas from secondary Japanese cities, especially since JL and NH have their respective international and domestic operations under one roof at NRT whereas many people would have to change terminals at HND.
My central point is that it's very misleading to compare the KE/DL JV with the UA/NH JV by counting only the number of hub-hub flights.
If they could make more money moving the flight times, they'd move them.
May 20, 2019, 9:05 am
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NRT will continue to make sense as a hub for people traveling overseas from secondary Japanese cities, especially since JL and NH have their respective international and domestic operations under one roof at NRT whereas many people would have to change terminals at HND.
NRT will continue to make sense as a hub for people traveling overseas from secondary Japanese cities, especially since JL and NH have their respective international and domestic operations under one roof at NRT whereas many people would have to change terminals at HND.
Doing the HND-NRT airport change on the “limousine” bus shows that there is a lot of demand for connecting flights at both airports with the busses running pretty full every few minutes in both directions.
Adding more international flights to HND will not only help the passengers in the Tokyo area, but also the passengers who want to make domestic connections as well, since they would probably save a few minutes (if any) doing the HND terminal transfer over the NRT-HND transfer.
I really hope that NH will be able to pickup some extra NRT slots to add more domestic flights in/out of NRT to make it easier to connect to the existing international flights.
May 28, 2019, 11:13 am
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With respect to Shenzhen, maybe, but I personally prefer flying to HKG and taking the Shekou Ferry these days, though I probably wouldn't do this drill if I didn't have China and HK eChannel. SHA-HKG is usually around the same price as SHA-SZX, and I greatly dislike the mile+ walks that SZX entails.
May 28, 2019, 1:09 pm
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With respect to Shenzhen, maybe, but I personally prefer flying to HKG and taking the Shekou Ferry these days, though I probably wouldn't do this drill if I didn't have China and HK eChannel. SHA-HKG is usually around the same price as SHA-SZX, and I greatly dislike the mile+ walks that SZX entails.
May 28, 2019, 2:36 pm
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Totally understand your logic---and I'm sure you also know that as "international" flights SHA-HKG is less likely to be delayed than SHA-SZX. What you forget is that HKG is not that great a connection point for UA passengers; neither Air China nor Shenzhen Airlines or Juneyao for that matter have logical onward connections (somehow Ethiopian Airlines is more useful) while both CAN and SZX offer dozens of *A connections. And that's not even talking about cargo...
May 28, 2019, 3:08 pm
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I really respect your perspective...what do you think about connections?
Aug 1, 2019, 5:34 am
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Not terribly surprising, but DL is pulling the plug altogether on NRT after the FAA gave them virtually all the HND slots they asked for. It will be interesting to see if DL can sustain their flights, given that some of their HND routes have had trouble in the past.
