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United Airlines Adds Service to Tokyo, Haneda with Routes from Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C.
CHICAGO, Aug. 16, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced it will begin service between four of its U.S. hubs and Tokyo's Haneda International Airport, located approximately 15 minutes from downtown Tokyo. United will begin operating nonstop service between Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C. and Haneda on March 28, 2020, subject to government approval. United currently offers daily nonstop service between San Francisco and Haneda. Tickets for United's new Haneda flights will be available for purchase starting Saturday, August 17.
In addition to United's new Haneda flights, Tokyo's Narita International airport will continue to be a hub for United with nonstop daily service between Narita and Denver, Guam, Honolulu, Houston, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and San Francisco. With the start of these new routes, United will no longer serve Narita from its Chicago and Washington D.C. hubs, and will shift these flights from Narita to Haneda.
"Our new service to Haneda gives our customers more choice and connections to more than 65 destinations throughout Asia. With service beginning next spring, we look forward to providing convenient service for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and beyond," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "United has offered nonstop service between the U.S. and Japan for more than 40 years and we are excited to expand our Japan network at Tokyo's Haneda Airport and continue to be the largest U.S. carrier to Japan."
United commends the efforts of Secretary Elaine Chao, her team at the U.S. Department of Transportation and officials at the U.S. State Department in making additional services at Tokyo Haneda a reality starting spring 2020.[/quote]
2019 HANEDA COMBINATION SERVICES
ALLOCATION PROCEEDING
DOCKET DOT-OST-2019-0014
United Airlines Adds Service to Tokyo, Haneda with Routes from Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C.
CHICAGO, Aug. 16, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced it will begin service between four of its U.S. hubs and Tokyo's Haneda International Airport, located approximately 15 minutes from downtown Tokyo. United will begin operating nonstop service between Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C. and Haneda on March 28, 2020, subject to government approval. United currently offers daily nonstop service between San Francisco and Haneda. Tickets for United's new Haneda flights will be available for purchase starting Saturday, August 17.
In addition to United's new Haneda flights, Tokyo's Narita International airport will continue to be a hub for United with nonstop daily service between Narita and Denver, Guam, Honolulu, Houston, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and San Francisco. With the start of these new routes, United will no longer serve Narita from its Chicago and Washington D.C. hubs, and will shift these flights from Narita to Haneda.
"Our new service to Haneda gives our customers more choice and connections to more than 65 destinations throughout Asia. With service beginning next spring, we look forward to providing convenient service for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and beyond," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "United has offered nonstop service between the U.S. and Japan for more than 40 years and we are excited to expand our Japan network at Tokyo's Haneda Airport and continue to be the largest U.S. carrier to Japan."
United commends the efforts of Secretary Elaine Chao, her team at the U.S. Department of Transportation and officials at the U.S. State Department in making additional services at Tokyo Haneda a reality starting spring 2020.[/quote]
2019 HANEDA COMBINATION SERVICES
ALLOCATION PROCEEDING
DOCKET DOT-OST-2019-0014
U.S. Department of Transportation Tentatively Grants United Airlines Authority to Operate New Service to Tokyo Haneda
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."
Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."
Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
- The U.S.'s largest metropolitan area and center of finance and commerce, Newark/New York;
- The most important logistics and transportation hub in the Midwest, Chicago;
- The seat of the U.S. federal government, Washington, D.C.; and
- Additional U.S. carrier service in the largest U.S. mainland - Tokyo market at Los Angeles.
Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
United Applies to Serve Tokyo Haneda from Six Leading U.S. Hubs Where Demand Is Highest
Proposed daily nonstop flights from hubs at Newark Liberty, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles, Los Angeles International, Houston George Bush and Guam will maximize choice and convenience for U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, Feb. 21, 2019
-- United Airlines announced today it has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a total of six daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND) from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Guam's A.B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, and slots awarded by DOT, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
United has presented a proposal maximized to meet consumer demand and benefit U.S. travelers. Together, the flights from five U.S. mainland hub cities and Guam will connect Tokyo Haneda with 112 U.S. airports, representing approximately two thirds of U.S.-Tokyo demand, or more than three million annual Tokyo bookings. With United's proposed routes representing five of the six largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. mainland and a combined population of nearly 56 million, the new flights requested in this proceeding will provide consumers with more choices and more convenient options when selecting Tokyo Haneda for their travel plans.
"If awarded by the DOT, these new nonstop flights would expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "Tokyo is a hub of 21st century global commerce and innovation and one of the world's most popular tourist destinations. Today's filing demonstrates United's unparalleled commitment to helping more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city. Our proposed flights to Tokyo Haneda will offer an unrivaled experience and maximize choice and convenience for our customers traveling between the United States and Tokyo for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 and beyond."
United's proposed daily flights from Newark/New York, Los Angeles and Guam would supplement the airline's existing daily flights between those hubs and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT), while United would shift existing daily nonstop Chicago, Washington D.C. and Houston flights from Tokyo Narita to Tokyo Haneda.United's application will also support American businesses and help grow the U.S. economy by offering direct flights from key business, government and cultural hubs where demand for flights to Haneda, the closest airport to central Tokyo, is the highest. With these new flights in place, United would provide Haneda service from:
United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network when combined with nonstop or single-connection service from 112 U.S. airports.
United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from 100 percent of its U.S. hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.United's application is in response to the U.S. DOT instituting a competitive route proceeding to allocate slot pairs, with today's application filed under DOT proceeding # DOT-OST-2019-0014. For more information about United's bid, please visit www.UnitedToHaneda.com.
Proposed daily nonstop flights from hubs at Newark Liberty, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles, Los Angeles International, Houston George Bush and Guam will maximize choice and convenience for U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, Feb. 21, 2019
-- United Airlines announced today it has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a total of six daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND) from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Guam's A.B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, and slots awarded by DOT, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.
United has presented a proposal maximized to meet consumer demand and benefit U.S. travelers. Together, the flights from five U.S. mainland hub cities and Guam will connect Tokyo Haneda with 112 U.S. airports, representing approximately two thirds of U.S.-Tokyo demand, or more than three million annual Tokyo bookings. With United's proposed routes representing five of the six largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. mainland and a combined population of nearly 56 million, the new flights requested in this proceeding will provide consumers with more choices and more convenient options when selecting Tokyo Haneda for their travel plans.
"If awarded by the DOT, these new nonstop flights would expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "Tokyo is a hub of 21st century global commerce and innovation and one of the world's most popular tourist destinations. Today's filing demonstrates United's unparalleled commitment to helping more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city. Our proposed flights to Tokyo Haneda will offer an unrivaled experience and maximize choice and convenience for our customers traveling between the United States and Tokyo for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 and beyond."
United's proposed daily flights from Newark/New York, Los Angeles and Guam would supplement the airline's existing daily flights between those hubs and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT), while United would shift existing daily nonstop Chicago, Washington D.C. and Houston flights from Tokyo Narita to Tokyo Haneda.United's application will also support American businesses and help grow the U.S. economy by offering direct flights from key business, government and cultural hubs where demand for flights to Haneda, the closest airport to central Tokyo, is the highest. With these new flights in place, United would provide Haneda service from:
- The largest market for travel demand between the U.S. mainland and Tokyo (Los Angeles);
- The two largest markets for travel demand between the East Coast and Tokyo (Newark/New York and Washington, D.C.);
- The two largest markets for travel demand between the central U.S. and Tokyo (Chicago and Houston); and
- Guam, a market with significant travel demand from a Japanese tourist base that is critical to the island's tourism industry, economy and job market.
United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network when combined with nonstop or single-connection service from 112 U.S. airports.
United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from 100 percent of its U.S. hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.United's application is in response to the U.S. DOT instituting a competitive route proceeding to allocate slot pairs, with today's application filed under DOT proceeding # DOT-OST-2019-0014. For more information about United's bid, please visit www.UnitedToHaneda.com.
UA applies for 6x additional HND slots - UA gets EWR, ORD, IAD, LAX
Feb 24, 2019, 10:27 pm
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The benefit of UA with NH and LH is a seamless integration to connecting points beyond a shared hub space, such as NRT or FRA, with somewhat on-par hard products, and world-class modern airport facilities that are not plagued by hours-long delays and archaic or strange rules, or generally obnoxious and annoying local passengers.
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Feb 24, 2019, 11:42 pm
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Not sucking is not exactly a compelling value proposition for someone looking to spend thousands on a premium cabin ticket, especially where the customer is looking at connecting service to a point outside of China. I could see someone considering MU from the USA to PVG because they want nonstop service while earning DL miles, but outside of that limited use case, I don't see a reason to stray away from DL metal absent a huge price differential.
The benefit of UA with NH and LH is a seamless integration to connecting points beyond a shared hub space, such as NRT or FRA, with somewhat on-par hard products, and world-class modern airport facilities that are not plagued by hours-long delays and archaic or strange rules, or generally obnoxious and annoying local passengers.
The benefit of UA with NH and LH is a seamless integration to connecting points beyond a shared hub space, such as NRT or FRA, with somewhat on-par hard products, and world-class modern airport facilities that are not plagued by hours-long delays and archaic or strange rules, or generally obnoxious and annoying local passengers.
Feb 25, 2019, 6:57 am
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Agree with everyone on MU, they are a fine airline - just a shame they effectively have a split-hub operation in Shanghai at PVG and SHA (with no seamless solution unless you count taking Line 2 crosstown for 2 hours... really odd how the Chinese government hasn't addressed this issue yet).
Different type of poison, but I don't think the US is any better in this regard. At least the Chinese are making an active effort to improve.
Different type of poison, but I don't think the US is any better in this regard. At least the Chinese are making an active effort to improve.
Feb 25, 2019, 7:03 am
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Agree with everyone on MU, they are a fine airline - just a shame they effectively have a split-hub operation in Shanghai at PVG and SHA (with no seamless solution unless you count taking Line 2 crosstown for 2 hours... really odd how the Chinese government hasn't addressed this issue yet).
Different type of poison, but I don't think the US is any better in this regard. At least the Chinese are making an active effort to improve.
Different type of poison, but I don't think the US is any better in this regard. At least the Chinese are making an active effort to improve.
Shuttle Line 1 cuts the travel time between PVG and SHA by half, compared to Subway Line 2.
Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 am
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Agree with everyone on MU, they are a fine airline - just a shame they effectively have a split-hub operation in Shanghai at PVG and SHA (with no seamless solution unless you count taking Line 2 crosstown for 2 hours... really odd how the Chinese government hasn't addressed this issue yet).
Different type of poison, but I don't think the US is any better in this regard. At least the Chinese are making an active effort to improve.
Different type of poison, but I don't think the US is any better in this regard. At least the Chinese are making an active effort to improve.
Feb 25, 2019, 7:53 am
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SHA offers much better domestic connectivity especially via high speed rail station. I'm thinking about all those major cities ~200 miles from Shanghai, it is really a pain to get to PVG by car.
I'd like to get back on topic because I'm anxiously awaiting ANA's HND slots application...
I'd like to get back on topic because I'm anxiously awaiting ANA's HND slots application...
Feb 25, 2019, 8:45 am
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ANA won't have an application. They will get a certain number of slots from the Japanese government, most likely in a month or so, and will then decide which routes to operate with those slots. They should get at least six slot pairs; possibly more if recent history is any indication.
Feb 25, 2019, 9:37 am
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2. As I mentioned upthread, Korean Air flies to 27 airports in China (I didn't realize this until last week, but was a bit shocked)
3. If you want to go to an airport that is not covered by 1 or 2, PEK is a much more sensible connecting point than PVG-->SHA
4. CZ has a mini hub in Shenyang, and an LAX-SHE flight that is really hard for them to fill; as such, they have very good fares to onward destinations in both Y and J
Apologies for continuing to post off topic, but I believe all of this stuff is relevant.
Feb 25, 2019, 9:54 am
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It has been suggested that the authorities will go for a more equal allocation this time since the post-bankruptcy sanctions against JAL "officially" expired in 2016, but there's also speculation that Skymark will try to get a slot pair for SPN service (see, for example, this Japanese article).
Feb 25, 2019, 10:04 am
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ICN-KMG 630pm
ICN-PEK 640pm
ICN-PVG 655pm
That's it. KE does have many flights to China, but most of them have 1 frequency per day and leave in the morning, so they don't connect to the afternoon arrival service from SEA, ORD, DFW, DTW, IAD, BOS, MSP, YVR, YYZ.
ANA out of HND has almost the same service as ICN for the late afternoon bank, but from NRT has PEK, PVG, CTU, CAN, SHE, WUH. This is why dismantling the NRT hub will be a problem for *A connecting traffic, and illustrates the advantage UA/NH have over DL/KE.
Feb 25, 2019, 10:18 am
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Let's look at KE's schedule from ICN to Mainland China after 4pm for May 15
ICN-KMG 630pm
ICN-PEK 640pm
ICN-PVG 655pm
That's it. KE does have many flights to China, but most of them have 1 frequency per day and leave in the morning, so they don't connect to the afternoon arrival service from SEA, ORD, DFW, DTW, IAD, BOS, MSP, YVR, YYZ.
ANA out of HND has almost the same service as ICN for the late afternoon bank, but from NRT has PEK, PVG, CTU, CAN, SHE, WUH. This is why dismantling the NRT hub will be a problem for *A connecting traffic, and illustrates the advantage UA/NH have over DL/KE.
ICN-KMG 630pm
ICN-PEK 640pm
ICN-PVG 655pm
That's it. KE does have many flights to China, but most of them have 1 frequency per day and leave in the morning, so they don't connect to the afternoon arrival service from SEA, ORD, DFW, DTW, IAD, BOS, MSP, YVR, YYZ.
ANA out of HND has almost the same service as ICN for the late afternoon bank, but from NRT has PEK, PVG, CTU, CAN, SHE, WUH. This is why dismantling the NRT hub will be a problem for *A connecting traffic, and illustrates the advantage UA/NH have over DL/KE.
Feb 25, 2019, 10:48 am
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There is no downside to applying for GUM-HND. One of my closest friends does college admissions consulting, and we often discuss whether or not it's better to limit students to apply for Harvard/Yale v Harvard/Princeton/Stanford/Yale. I prefer the former strategy myself because my (extremely famous) high school endorsed it, but I'm also fine with the latter.
Feb 25, 2019, 11:50 am
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The reality is that NRT is transitioning to more of a LGW type airport while HND is transitioning to a LHR type airport. HND is gaining slots for non-US international flights as well, and they can easily have their SE Asia-US connections be at HND. They already fly HND-BKK/CGK/KUL/MNL, and they only need a few more slots to move NRT-SGN/PNH/TPE/RGN/PER(not SE Asia but still many US connections). They even already have HND and not NRT flights to HAN/SYD. The NRT China/Japan regional routes can easily be transferred to NH's LCC Peach, as NH already flies to most of them with a greater frequency from HND, leaving only BRU/MAA/DEL/DUS/MEX/BOM plus whatever US flights they don't have enough slots for. This is still likely a few years out given the slow pace of releasing slots, but it is definitely realistic. JL will probably do something similar with their flights. NRT will thrive, as LGW has, with primarily LCCs and foreign airlines with no feed/competition in Tokyo.
Given AA's ORD-Asia reductions and the fact that JL will most likely start ORD-HND with one of their new slots, I would not be surprised if AA drops ORD-NRT in the future.
Given AA's ORD-Asia reductions and the fact that JL will most likely start ORD-HND with one of their new slots, I would not be surprised if AA drops ORD-NRT in the future.
Feb 25, 2019, 1:01 pm
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Funny that the topic of SHA should come up- I'm actually hoping for a flight timed to connect to NH HND-SHA. As mentioned, getting to and from PVG is a pain, and to me so much so that I've overnighted in HND multiple times to avoid it (and go shopping in the process).