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2019 HANEDA COMBINATION SERVICES
ALLOCATION PROCEEDING
DOCKET DOT-OST-2019-0014


U.S. Department of Transportation Tentatively Grants United Airlines Authority to Operate New Service to Tokyo Haneda
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.

"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."

Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
  • The U.S.'s largest metropolitan area and center of finance and commerce, Newark/New York;
  • The most important logistics and transportation hub in the Midwest, Chicago;
  • The seat of the U.S. federal government, Washington, D.C.; and
  • Additional U.S. carrier service in the largest U.S. mainland - Tokyo market at Los Angeles.
This announcement will strengthen United's broad-based and end-to-end network between the United States and Japan. United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network. Throughout this proceeding United has been the only U.S. airline to recognize the unique benefits that Tokyo Haneda and Tokyo Narita offer to the traveling public.


Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
United Applies to Serve Tokyo Haneda from Six Leading U.S. Hubs Where Demand Is Highest

Proposed daily nonstop flights from hubs at Newark Liberty, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles, Los Angeles International, Houston George Bush and Guam will maximize choice and convenience for U.S. consumers and businesses

CHICAGO, Feb. 21, 2019
-- United Airlines announced today it has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a total of six daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND) from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Guam's A.B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, and slots awarded by DOT, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.

United has presented a proposal maximized to meet consumer demand and benefit U.S. travelers. Together, the flights from five U.S. mainland hub cities and Guam will connect Tokyo Haneda with 112 U.S. airports, representing approximately two thirds of U.S.-Tokyo demand, or more than three million annual Tokyo bookings. With United's proposed routes representing five of the six largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. mainland and a combined population of nearly 56 million, the new flights requested in this proceeding will provide consumers with more choices and more convenient options when selecting Tokyo Haneda for their travel plans.

"If awarded by the DOT, these new nonstop flights would expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "Tokyo is a hub of 21st century global commerce and innovation and one of the world's most popular tourist destinations. Today's filing demonstrates United's unparalleled commitment to helping more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city. Our proposed flights to Tokyo Haneda will offer an unrivaled experience and maximize choice and convenience for our customers traveling between the United States and Tokyo for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 and beyond."

United's proposed daily flights from Newark/New York, Los Angeles and Guam would supplement the airline's existing daily flights between those hubs and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT), while United would shift existing daily nonstop Chicago, Washington D.C. and Houston flights from Tokyo Narita to Tokyo Haneda.United's application will also support American businesses and help grow the U.S. economy by offering direct flights from key business, government and cultural hubs where demand for flights to Haneda, the closest airport to central Tokyo, is the highest. With these new flights in place, United would provide Haneda service from:
  • The largest market for travel demand between the U.S. mainland and Tokyo (Los Angeles);
  • The two largest markets for travel demand between the East Coast and Tokyo (Newark/New York and Washington, D.C.);
  • The two largest markets for travel demand between the central U.S. and Tokyo (Chicago and Houston); and
  • Guam, a market with significant travel demand from a Japanese tourist base that is critical to the island's tourism industry, economy and job market.
United's proposal would help realize the full potential of these new routes for U.S. consumers and businesses by expanding United's broad-based and end-to-end network between the United States and Japan.

United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network when combined with nonstop or single-connection service from 112 U.S. airports.

United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from 100 percent of its U.S. hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.United's application is in response to the U.S. DOT instituting a competitive route proceeding to allocate slot pairs, with today's application filed under DOT proceeding # DOT-OST-2019-0014. For more information about United's bid, please visit www.UnitedToHaneda.com.
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Old May 12, 19, 11:27 am
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I feel like there's demand and price support to do both the existing UA metal IAD-NRT and the NH metal on the same, plus a UA IAD-HND. But what do I know?
Apparently UA doesn’t. I have to imagine that UA’s internal data shows the vast majority of ORD, IAD and IAH traffic terminate in TYO. Would kind of think that DEN fits that profile, too...
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I feel like there's demand and price support to do both the existing UA metal IAD-NRT and the NH metal on the same, plus a UA IAD-HND. But what do I know?
Here's a speculative thought... UA doesn't even want to fly to NRT from any of their hubs now that they have a partner that does that anyway. And why would they? UA wants to get people to Tokyo and are happy to let NH get people to some secondary city in China via NRT.
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Apparently UA doesn’t. I have to imagine that UA’s internal data shows the vast majority of ORD, IAD and IAH traffic terminate in TYO. Would kind of think that DEN fits that profile, too...
Ah but DEN doesn't have any other flights to Asia and UA needs the NRT connections there — while UA is content to let NH carry the connecting traffic from ORD/IAD/IAH
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Ah but DEN doesn't have any other flights to Asia and UA needs the NRT connections there — while UA is content to let NH carry the connecting traffic from ORD/IAD/IAH
IAH also doesn’t fly to anywhere else in Asia besides NRT.
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IAH also doesn’t fly to anywhere else in Asia besides NRT.
IAH has NH to NRT, BR to TPE, CA to PEK... (and technically SQ to SIN but via MAN)
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IAH has NH to NRT, BR to TPE, CA to PEK... (and technically SQ to SIN but via MAN)
Apologies, was just thinking about UA metal flights.
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DOT keeps giving DL space at HND even though their routes have been cancelled/underperformed in the past.
So maybe the DOT will stop making this mistake?
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Tentative awards (received via text) are as follows:

DL: SEA, DTW, ATL, PDX, HNL
AA: DFW, LAX
HA: HNL
UA: EWR, ORD, IAD, LAX

If true, a big, unexpected win for UA, and an equitable distribution, IMO.

Edit to add: https://www.regulations.gov/document...2019-0014-0079
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Not surprising that DL (again) gets the most slots. Does that mean they can entirely shutter their NRT operations?

Overall, think UA has to be happy with their allocation, and especially glad that EWR-HND is on the list. That’s going to be very helpful for a trip down the road for me that will require an intra-Japan connection.

ETA: The explanations in denying other requests is interesting as well. The argument against IAH seems to largely boil down to one of geography - that making connections in IAH is inefficient vs. connecting elsewhere. GUM got denied due to being a leisure market that is viewed as already being well-served from NRT.

So after this, UA service to TYO will consist of:
NRT - EWR, IAH, DEN, SFO, LAX, HNL, GUM
HND - EWR, LAX, SFO, ORD, IAD

Certainly seems like they should consider building a Polaris lounge at HND, given it will have more departures than HKG (which only has EWR, ORD, and SFO)... I also wonder, given the emphasis on just how large the TYO-HNL market is, if UA will consider proposing HNL-HND service down the road. The application certainly seems to leave open the idea that there is ample room to support additional US metal capacity on the route.

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Say it ain't so..was hoping at least one of UA's IAD/ORD to NRT routes would be preserved. Now all the east coast traffic has to route through EWR.
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With the JV , IAD/ORD-NRT would be preserved with NH.
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With the JV , IAD/ORD-NRT would be preserved with NH.
Yes, without UA elite benefits... goodbye E+, GPUs on W fares, PremPlus upgrades, lifetime miles, GS spend...
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U.S. Department of Transportation Tentatively Grants United Airlines Authority to Operate New Service to Tokyo Haneda
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.

"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."

Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
  • The U.S.'s largest metropolitan area and center of finance and commerce, Newark/New York;
  • The most important logistics and transportation hub in the Midwest, Chicago;
  • The seat of the U.S. federal government, Washington, D.C.; and
  • Additional U.S. carrier service in the largest U.S. mainland - Tokyo market at Los Angeles.
This announcement will strengthen United's broad-based and end-to-end network between the United States and Japan. United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network. Throughout this proceeding United has been the only U.S. airline to recognize the unique benefits that Tokyo Haneda and Tokyo Narita offer to the traveling public.


Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
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Yes, without UA elite benefits... goodbye E+, GPUs on W fares, PremPlus upgrades, lifetime miles, GS spend...
Do we have a positive indication that any increase at HND will be at the expense of NRT?
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Old May 16, 19, 11:31 pm
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Good question, is it just an assumption from the peanut gallery that IAD-NRT service will end just because IAD-HND comes up?
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