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United Airlines Adds Service to Tokyo, Haneda with Routes from Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C.

CHICAGO, Aug. 16, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced it will begin service between four of its U.S. hubs and Tokyo's Haneda International Airport, located approximately 15 minutes from downtown Tokyo. United will begin operating nonstop service between Chicago, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C. and Haneda on March 28, 2020, subject to government approval. United currently offers daily nonstop service between San Francisco and Haneda. Tickets for United's new Haneda flights will be available for purchase starting Saturday, August 17.

In addition to United's new Haneda flights, Tokyo's Narita International airport will continue to be a hub for United with nonstop daily service between Narita and Denver, Guam, Honolulu, Houston, Los Angeles, New York/Newark and San Francisco. With the start of these new routes, United will no longer serve Narita from its Chicago and Washington D.C. hubs, and will shift these flights from Narita to Haneda.

"Our new service to Haneda gives our customers more choice and connections to more than 65 destinations throughout Asia. With service beginning next spring, we look forward to providing convenient service for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and beyond," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "United has offered nonstop service between the U.S. and Japan for more than 40 years and we are excited to expand our Japan network at Tokyo's Haneda Airport and continue to be the largest U.S. carrier to Japan."

United commends the efforts of Secretary Elaine Chao, her team at the U.S. Department of Transportation and officials at the U.S. State Department in making additional services at Tokyo Haneda a reality starting spring 2020.[/quote]





2019 HANEDA COMBINATION SERVICES
ALLOCATION PROCEEDING
DOCKET DOT-OST-2019-0014


U.S. Department of Transportation Tentatively Grants United Airlines Authority to Operate New Service to Tokyo Haneda
New slots from four hubs to Haneda Airport will expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses
CHICAGO, May 16, 2019
-- The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) today announced that United Airlines was tentatively granted a total of four daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND). The slots will be allocated for flights from United's hubs at Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.

"As the largest U.S. carrier to Asia, we are excited to see we were granted additional slots to Haneda to help more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city, which will offer our customers an unparalleled experience while maximizing choice," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "We would like to thank the U.S. Department of Transportation for its work in reviewing our proposal and advocating for what is best for the American public and for our economy. We also recognize the efforts of the U.S. State Department's work with the DOT to enable additional service at Haneda."

Together, the flights from these U.S. mainland hub cities will connect Tokyo Haneda with:
  • The U.S.'s largest metropolitan area and center of finance and commerce, Newark/New York;
  • The most important logistics and transportation hub in the Midwest, Chicago;
  • The seat of the U.S. federal government, Washington, D.C.; and
  • Additional U.S. carrier service in the largest U.S. mainland - Tokyo market at Los Angeles.
This announcement will strengthen United's broad-based and end-to-end network between the United States and Japan. United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network. Throughout this proceeding United has been the only U.S. airline to recognize the unique benefits that Tokyo Haneda and Tokyo Narita offer to the traveling public.


Only United has committed to providing service to both Tokyo airports from regions across the United States. United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from all seven of its U.S. mainland hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.
United Applies to Serve Tokyo Haneda from Six Leading U.S. Hubs Where Demand Is Highest

Proposed daily nonstop flights from hubs at Newark Liberty, Chicago O'Hare, Washington Dulles, Los Angeles International, Houston George Bush and Guam will maximize choice and convenience for U.S. consumers and businesses

CHICAGO, Feb. 21, 2019
-- United Airlines announced today it has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a total of six daily nonstop flights to Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND) from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Guam's A.B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM). Pending completion of an aviation agreement between the U.S. and Japanese governments later this year, and slots awarded by DOT, the flights are expected to begin service by the summer of 2020.

United has presented a proposal maximized to meet consumer demand and benefit U.S. travelers. Together, the flights from five U.S. mainland hub cities and Guam will connect Tokyo Haneda with 112 U.S. airports, representing approximately two thirds of U.S.-Tokyo demand, or more than three million annual Tokyo bookings. With United's proposed routes representing five of the six largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. mainland and a combined population of nearly 56 million, the new flights requested in this proceeding will provide consumers with more choices and more convenient options when selecting Tokyo Haneda for their travel plans.

"If awarded by the DOT, these new nonstop flights would expand United's best-in-class Japan route network to better meet demand from U.S. consumers and businesses," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby. "Tokyo is a hub of 21st century global commerce and innovation and one of the world's most popular tourist destinations. Today's filing demonstrates United's unparalleled commitment to helping more Americans travel between our nation and Japan's capital city. Our proposed flights to Tokyo Haneda will offer an unrivaled experience and maximize choice and convenience for our customers traveling between the United States and Tokyo for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 and beyond."

United's proposed daily flights from Newark/New York, Los Angeles and Guam would supplement the airline's existing daily flights between those hubs and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT), while United would shift existing daily nonstop Chicago, Washington D.C. and Houston flights from Tokyo Narita to Tokyo Haneda.United's application will also support American businesses and help grow the U.S. economy by offering direct flights from key business, government and cultural hubs where demand for flights to Haneda, the closest airport to central Tokyo, is the highest. With these new flights in place, United would provide Haneda service from:
  • The largest market for travel demand between the U.S. mainland and Tokyo (Los Angeles);
  • The two largest markets for travel demand between the East Coast and Tokyo (Newark/New York and Washington, D.C.);
  • The two largest markets for travel demand between the central U.S. and Tokyo (Chicago and Houston); and
  • Guam, a market with significant travel demand from a Japanese tourist base that is critical to the island's tourism industry, economy and job market.
United's proposal would help realize the full potential of these new routes for U.S. consumers and businesses by expanding United's broad-based and end-to-end network between the United States and Japan.

United's proposed flights to Haneda would allow U.S. consumers to make connections to 37 points in Japan via United's joint venture partner All Nippon Airways (ANA), strengthening United's existing comprehensive network when combined with nonstop or single-connection service from 112 U.S. airports.

United has proven its long-term commitment to Tokyo as a key gateway in Asia, serving Tokyo from 100 percent of its U.S. hubs. United also serves 31 markets in the Asia/Pacific region, more than any other U.S. carrier, and has successfully launched 11 new nonstop flights from the U.S. mainland to destinations throughout the Asia/Pacific region since 2014.United's application is in response to the U.S. DOT instituting a competitive route proceeding to allocate slot pairs, with today's application filed under DOT proceeding # DOT-OST-2019-0014. For more information about United's bid, please visit www.UnitedToHaneda.com.
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Old Feb 25, 2019, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
HND is an origin/destination airport. For connections, ICN is now in the pole position. I did some research on DL/KE last week, and was surprised to learn about the extent of their combined network; KE flies to 27 airports in China alone!
If you add in OZ, the contrast is even more stark. The reality is that the "choice" slots go to business destinations ex-HND, and they are not going to be used for places with lots of tourist load (think BKK). Those destinations tend to get the overnight slots. The last half dozen asia trips I have looked at, only one had a workable connection ex-HND. Yet, as NRT connections have been drawn down some, the range of flight options is less than it once was ex-NRT.

To some extent this forces airlines to continue to serve NRT, as e.g. UA can feed ANA one way via HND, the other via NRT. Same (but to a lesser extent) with JAL.
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Old Feb 25, 2019, 2:34 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
While I'll concede that PVG qualifies as a "hub", I don't know of anyone who connects at SHA. Much like HND, it is an O/D airport. And, if you do find yourself connecting between PVG and SHA, I'm quite certain there are better options.
I use SHA as hub, from Taiwan to SHA to other Chinese (Domestic) cities, much like when I fly into LAX/SFO as international to. domestic connections. Same for HND, if flying from KHH(Taiwan), less so for TPE which non stop service many Japanese cities.
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Old Mar 1, 2019, 11:28 pm
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Would the UA flights get dumped at the far end like the current SFO flight?

While HND is closer to the city, I actually prefer the NRT layout. For some reason, it feels like there's always a lot more walking involved at HND.
Unlike NRT, the HND international terminal also lacks a real Star Alliance Gold Track line.

Lounge selection is also a little lacking with only 1.5 ANA lounges (one of the lounges has weird hours) for star alliance and 0 lounges for priority pass.
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Old Mar 2, 2019, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by mr8
Would the UA flights get dumped at the far end like the current SFO flight?

While HND is closer to the city, I actually prefer the NRT layout. For some reason, it feels like there's always a lot more walking involved at HND.
Unlike NRT, the HND international terminal also lacks a real Star Alliance Gold Track line.

Lounge selection is also a little lacking with only 1.5 ANA lounges (one of the lounges has weird hours) for star alliance and 0 lounges for priority pass.
HND T2 is currently expanding to allow international flights starting in March 2020, I assume all NH/UA flights will be out of T2. Not sure if the 7 gates are enough for both of them. In any case, if they are in T2, then it should be a lot less walking and probably a new lounge there as well.
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Old Mar 2, 2019, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
I would assume HND would be used more for secondary Japan destinations, for those looking to make connections at all. NRT would still maintain the schedule for Intl connections.
They may adjust the schedule a bit, to allow for onward Intl connections from HND if they get enough slots awarded to make sense I guess...
Completely agree!

If your destination is Tokyo or even cities within Japan, then HND is ideal! I am hoping (really hoping) for LAX-HND to be approved for UA as AA and DL are doing really well with that route.

NRT will continue to serve as connecting point with NH to other cities in Asia, e.g. BKK, SGN, MNL, etc. NRT has better lounges, including the PL, which makes a layover there a decent experience.
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Old Mar 2, 2019, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by hirohito888
HND T2 is currently expanding to allow international flights starting in March 2020, I assume all NH/UA flights will be out of T2. Not sure if the 7 gates are enough for both of them.
NH has already said that they will split flights between T2 and T3 because there won't be enough international gates at T2.
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Old Mar 2, 2019, 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by hirohito888
HND T2 is currently expanding to allow international flights starting in March 2020, I assume all NH/UA flights will be out of T2. Not sure if the 7 gates are enough for both of them. In any case, if they are in T2, then it should be a lot less walking and probably a new lounge there as well.
That would be really nice if they could do a single star alliance terminal, but T2 still has that long boring walk even for domestic arrivals. I guess that still beats having to do the bus to the international terminal or the bus and stair thing in NRT!
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Any word on when these slots might be allocated? Summer? Fall? Next year?
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Assuming UA gets all the HND slots it applies for, how does it impact of the Polaris Lounge roll out in Tokyo? Would it make more sense to have a Polaris Lounge at HND vs NRT?
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Old May 9, 2019, 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by 18wheeler_vanrekt
Any word on when these slots might be allocated? Summer? Fall? Next year?
Most likely summer. Airlines have to apply for takeoff and landing times by October.
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Old May 10, 2019, 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
Assuming UA gets all the HND slots it applies for, how does it impact of the Polaris Lounge roll out in Tokyo? Would it make more sense to have a Polaris Lounge at HND vs NRT?
it’s a fair question but I don’t see UA winning all of their slots. I think if they get one or two that’s a win. As such you still have a bulk of travel at NRT. When UA and others are allowed to move the bulk of operations to HND then maybe a Polaris Lounge makes sense.
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Old May 10, 2019, 7:14 am
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I would be surprised if NRT actually gets a Polaris lounge...haven’t really heard about any of the announced international ones, when you think about it.
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Originally Posted by jsloan
NRT is not a hub by any rational definition of the term. The only UA-operated flights from NRT are to UA hubs. The only reasonable way to connect on UA flights at NRT is to/from GUM. It's not a hub.

Austin has nearly 3x the number of UA-operated flights that NRT has, and nobody would call it a hub.
Yeah. UA used to operate a small hub / focus city operation there with several connections to destinations in Asia. That was dismantled.
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Old May 10, 2019, 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by mh3265a
it’s a fair question but I don’t see UA winning all of their slots. I think if they get one or two that’s a win. As such you still have a bulk of travel at NRT. When UA and others are allowed to move the bulk of operations to HND then maybe a Polaris Lounge makes sense.
I think UA is going to score at least 3: EWR, ORD, IAD, which comprise its "first priority". I could see an award of AA/3 (DFW/LAX/LAS), UA/3 (EWR/ORD/IAD), DL/4 (SEA/DTW/ATL/PDX), HA/2 (HNL #2/#3). If UA wins 4, LAX joins the list.

Originally Posted by dilanesp
Yeah. UA used to operate a small hub / focus city operation there with several connections to destinations in Asia. That was dismantled.
Though NRT will remain a vital transfer point in the Pacific network with the NH joint venture even if UA's entire HND portfolio is granted (unlikely), so a Polaris lounge might still makes sense depending on what kind of fees UA can negotiate for partner visits. Reportedly, PVG and TLV are under consideration for international Polaris Lounges, but there are regulatory and facility hurdles that make them less likely. I'd expect to sooner see one at Denver, and I have no prediction for that.

Interestingly, it was pointed out to me a few years ago that CUN is UA's highest-traffic (in terms of passenger numbers) international station, and there are (obviously) no plans for a lounge of any sort there.
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Old May 10, 2019, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764
I think UA is going to score at least 3: EWR, ORD, IAD, which comprise its "first priority". I could see an award of AA/3 (DFW/LAX/LAS), UA/3 (EWR/ORD/IAD), DL/4 (SEA/DTW/ATL/PDX), HA/2 (HNL #2/#3). If UA wins 4, LAX joins the list.



Though NRT will remain a vital transfer point in the Pacific network with the NH joint venture even if UA's entire HND portfolio is granted (unlikely), so a Polaris lounge might still makes sense depending on what kind of fees UA can negotiate for partner visits. Reportedly, PVG and TLV are under consideration for international Polaris Lounges, but there are regulatory and facility hurdles that make them less likely. I'd expect to sooner see one at Denver, and I have no prediction for that.

Interestingly, it was pointed out to me a few years ago that CUN is UA's highest-traffic (in terms of passenger numbers) international station, and there are (obviously) no plans for a lounge of any sort there.
If you want a lounge at CUN, just walk out of the airport.
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