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For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old May 29, 2017, 6:57 pm
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Originally Posted by LeviFlight
Ho - I am flying SFO - FRA - DXB, Sunday July 9 (so high season). I have to book through UA for PQD. I want to apply a GPU at least to the transatlantic segment. I have 2 options - UA 747 and LH A380. Niether have saver awards available now that would suggest immeditate upgrade potential. Any recommendations on whether I should buy the UA flight and try upgrade that (perhaps on a U fare) or buy similar fare on LH codeshare and try upgrade that. Which is more likely to clear into C class given plane type and the GPU upgrade process on these airlines. All advice much appreciated.
Can you justify an overnight in FRA? I see R3 on the evening SFO-FRA (7p-2p) right now which is pretty rare. That said, I've had a shocking run of luck confirming GPU on Sunday SFO-FRA/LHRs in summer, so I might go for the 2pm UA and cross my fingers.

Definitely fly UA then connect onto LH. 1) UA seat is much more comfortable and with the Polaris soft product the food etc. is comparable; 2) you'll get a chance to compare; 3) the UA 744 is being phased out soon and is personally my favourite in J.
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Old May 29, 2017, 8:27 pm
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Thank you both. Unfortunately, I cannot take the 7pm on the Sunday. Was eying that one . I think I will take the advice and fly UA. Your success on Sundays in the summer has me encouraged. Will wait a day or two to see if other opinions come in. cheers! (Btw: booked Etihad F award for return, excited about that).
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Old May 29, 2017, 9:25 pm
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Originally Posted by LeviFlight
Thank you both. Unfortunately, I cannot take the 7pm on the Sunday. Was eying that one . I think I will take the advice and fly UA. Your success on Sundays in the summer has me encouraged. Will wait a day or two to see if other opinions come in. cheers! (Btw: booked Etihad F award for return, excited about that).
One option I didn't spot earlier -- UA932 IAD-FRA has open R if you want to confirm the overwater UG now and waitlist yourself on a promising-looking SFO-IAD (the morning 772 flight is PN9, or UA309 has historically been an easy UG for me at least). Then, you can aim to SDC to SFO-FRA nonstop on the Saturday prior to departure if R does, in fact, open.
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Old May 29, 2017, 10:25 pm
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Originally Posted by LeviFlight
Thank you both. Unfortunately, I cannot take the 7pm on the Sunday. Was eying that one . I think I will take the advice and fly UA. Your success on Sundays in the summer has me encouraged. Will wait a day or two to see if other opinions come in. cheers! (Btw: booked Etihad F award for return, excited about that).
Also worth considering if you can't clear an upgrade at booking, I am a fan of booking LH E class (premium economy) and applying a GPU. Seems to have a high success rate on LH and even if it doesn't clear you're in a halfway decent cabin.

Might not be an acceptable price though.
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Old May 30, 2017, 7:34 pm
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Another data point:

US-MUC E fare on a Tuesday night. I9 according to LH, and at least four saver biz award available through UA.com. Cleared at booking.

MUC-US E fare on a Friday. I9 according to LH, and at least four saver biz award available through UA.com. Waitlisted. Cleared 3 hours later.

So, no idea how the algorithm works, with one clearing immediately while one was waitlisted but cleared only hours later (but weeks before the flight). Just FYI to those keeping score. Any hypotheses out there?
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Old May 30, 2017, 8:22 pm
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Originally Posted by PanAmOneTwo
So, no idea how the algorithm works, with one clearing immediately while one was waitlisted but cleared only hours later (but weeks before the flight). Just FYI to those keeping score. Any hypotheses out there?
I would hypothesize that the clearing process is slow, and doesn't run continuously.
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Old May 30, 2017, 8:28 pm
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Originally Posted by PanAmOneTwo
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So, no idea how the algorithm works, with one clearing immediately while one was waitlisted but cleared only hours later (but weeks before the flight). Just FYI to those keeping score. Any hypotheses out there?
My personal theory is that the award and upgrade availability are different. I have cleared LH D->F upgrades immediately when no award tickets were available through UA and ANA.
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Old May 30, 2017, 8:43 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbjorn
My personal theory is that the award and upgrade availability are different. I have cleared LH D->F upgrades immediately when no award tickets were available through UA and ANA.
Despite the GPUs clearing into I, the fact that one segment was I9 with saver awards available and yet still waitlisted, if even for a couple hours, while another cleared immediately, suggests that's absolutely correct. Some subset of I seems to be for upgrades and may not even be immediately available if it's I9. But perhaps strongly predictive of it at least clearing quickly? Who knows...
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Old May 31, 2017, 6:04 am
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My personal theory is that the award and upgrade availability are different. I have cleared LH D->F upgrades immediately when no award tickets were available through UA and ANA.
you have to look at LH M&M availability, not UA or NH.
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Old May 31, 2017, 5:51 pm
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It's been awhile since I've had GPUs clear on LH stock. Quick question: today when I check the LH ticket, the original E fare segments have been added back in addition to the confirmed I segments. The seat assignments are in business. But is it normal to have the duplicate segments in the original fare class and I class when it's a 220 stock? Sorry if this has been answered before. I know this happens on 016 stock tickets, but 220 also?
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Old May 31, 2017, 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by PanAmOneTwo
It's been awhile since I've had GPUs clear on LH stock. Quick question: today when I check the LH ticket, the original E fare segments have been added back in addition to the confirmed I segments. The seat assignments are in business. But is it normal to have the duplicate segments in the original fare class and I class when it's a 220 stock? Sorry if this has been answered before. I know this happens on 016 stock tickets, but 220 also?
IME, that's all normal.
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Old May 31, 2017, 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
you have to look at LH M&M availability, not UA or NH.
Good point. Can you look this up online without having miles in a LH M&M account?
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Old May 31, 2017, 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbjorn
IME, that's all normal.
Can anyone confirm that this doesn't create issues? What's weird is that the duplicate economy segments showed up a day after the upgrades cleared and I had double checked seats etc. LH claims the travel agency resold the economy segments and that they must remove them or ticket risks being canceled; travel agency denies it touched it (and I believe them). If this is normal on 220 stock with GPUs I'll just let it be...
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Old May 31, 2017, 9:00 pm
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Another GPU cleared today, this time J -> O (A380) 48 hours before flight.
6 out of 6 so far this year.
I noticed a pattern - if not confirmed right away, then it'll clear 48-72 hours before the flight (all had at least 2 seats for sale).

Did fare class (J, C, D) play a role? Maybe, but I had D cleared before J (at 72hrs vs 48hrs)
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Old Jun 1, 2017, 12:28 am
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Originally Posted by PanAmOneTwo
Some subset of I seems to be for upgrades and may not even be immediately available if it's I9. But perhaps strongly predictive of it at least clearing quickly? Who knows...
Upgrades and awards both come from I, but availability is different based on which office requests it and for what purpose (upgrade or award).

Originally Posted by kittiyut
Another GPU cleared today, this time J -> O (A380) 48 hours before flight.
6 out of 6 so far this year.
I noticed a pattern - if not confirmed right away, then it'll clear 48-72 hours before the flight (all had at least 2 seats for sale).

Did fare class (J, C, D) play a role? Maybe, but I had D cleared before J (at 72hrs vs 48hrs)
Your pcv matters. The pcv is calculated from a number of things: status, booking class and value of ticket paid.
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